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1ham	easy_ham	"\n\nLooks useful. Hopefully, they'll put up some more material soon.\n\n\thttp://ocw.mit.edu/global/all-courses.html\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n>>\n>>Wishful thinking. People are just bigger dickheads now. Culture is changing\n>>and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down\n>>when you disagree with them. The people that do this are NOT\n>>disenfranchised. They\n>>get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes. The act of protesting is\n>>more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these\n>>people.\n>> \n>>\nOB> In my experience, this is classic \"American\" behaviour, and I don't \nOB> think its on the increase outside of the US of A.\nOB> I am willing to accept the premise that Americans are bigger dickheads \nOB> then they used to be.\n\nsighs\n\nRight. Because Americans are the only people capable of being\nassholes. Shit. History keeps fucking up when they keep mentioning\nall the historical examples of dickhead-ness that have proceeded the\nUS.\n\nAfter all, we're the only country who gets unruly when it comes to\nissues. Thats why its always just the Americans at those crazy WTO\nmeetings... Right, Owen?\n\n\n\n-- \nBest regards,\n bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 09:20, Owen Byrne wrote:\n> In my experience, this is classic \"American\" behaviour, and I don't \n> think its on the increase outside of the US of A.\n\n\nIn my experience, this protest behavior is really only an issue in\n\"ultra-liberal\" coastal cities, which is where I normally live. It is\npart of the culture and that behavior is viewed as acceptable. \n\nFor comparison, contrast this with the character of the arguably more\nserious protests against Federal government abuse in the inter-mountain\nWest. They have a very different idea of what constitutes acceptable\nprotest practice. Those protests remain largely civil and polite, if\nheated and aggressive, and those involve a far greater percentage of the\nlocal population. And unlike 99% of the liberal coastal city protests\nI've seen, the people protesting in the inter-mountain West are actually\nfacing immediate dire consequences from the activities they are\nprotesting and are strongly motivated to protest in a manner that gets\nresults. Some of their tactics, such as the practice of many businesses\nand restaurants in northern Nevada to not give service to anyone known\nto be in the employ of the BLM and related agencies, have been very\neffective at forcing dialog. I don't recall anyone characterizing their\nprotests as impolite, rude, or violent, but then they have more to lose.\n\n\n-James Rogers\n jamesr@best.com\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net>\n> A flippant remark that I will probably regret -\n> sure there's assholes everywhere. I just remember a lunch in Spain with\n> a semi-famous American - I think we had about 10 nationalities at the\n> table, and he managed to insult each of them within\n> 15 minutes. A historical perspective makes me think that empires -\n> Roman, British, Russian, American, whatever - produce\n> a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations (and are more\n> likely to have them in positions of authority).\n\nYep, those that win battles collect tthe spoils. Lead and breed. Want it to be\ndifferent? Lead, don't whine.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Saturday 28 September 2002 04:37 pm, you struggled free to say:\n&> > Although it's like a total shock to 99.999% (5nines) of all the\n&> > employed website designers out there, the truth is webforms /can/\n&> > accept \"U.S. of A\" as a country. Incredible, but true. Web forms can\n&> > also accept /multiple/ or even /free-form/ telephone numbers and can\n&> > even be partitioned into manageable steps. All this can also be done\n&> > without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the World's\n&> > Second-Richest Corporation (assuming Cisco is still #1) and vendor\n&> > locking your business into their \"small transaction fee\" tithe.\n\nThink of all the people and places that would not get unsolicited mail\nif we hadn't invented them. Though perhaps ordering a free Enron mug\nas the King of Hell....\n\nI think it's like P3P met whatever commercial /.like forum was rocking\nyesterday, and they took all Greg's extra serotonin and lit up and\nmade a Successful go of personal address palettes you could occupy and\nown or rent and even move or sell. So you'd reply to all the whitepaper\nsites you wouldn't just call to get the real deal like: 'Okay, let's say\nI'm in Factorytown, GuangZhou, and I'm a battery acid supervisor for\na multinational that sometimes buys B1s. e-mail me if you get your story\nwritten up all the way;' or\n\t'Today, I'm a 200lb, 3m tall mophead with pearlecent teeth\nand excellent sex-linked features, but who uses Solaris nntp clients. Got it?'\n or merely\n\t'I can't read Base64 messages. I use small alphabets and\n8-letter words that didn't come from the bible and use calculus, and\nI'd thank you to class me as a Catamite.'\n\n&> Yes, but this is what normally happened:\n&> Engineer: we can put an input validator/parser on the backend to do that.\n&> \t.....\n&> Creative Director: I don't give a shit. As long as it's in blue. And\n&> has a link to my press release.\n\nN3kk1D PRR3zzEw33Lz ahR 3V1L, but I thought it had to do with\ncoldfusion-compatiblie plugins (servlets, whatever) that overhyped\nunimplemented features. Repeatedly. Openly. In rakish 10MB\nbranding-first downloads that meshed well with budgeting policies.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"One of the most bizarre pages I've seen on the Web. At first I thought it\nmight be some sort of back-story to a RPG, but, nope, it looks like somebody\nbelieves this.\n\n===\nhttp://www.viking-z.org/r20i.htm\n\nM09. Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil.\nDINOSAURS. Reptoid ETs are reported to be 12 foot high crocodiles walking on\ntheir hind legs. This is a description of a dinosaur. It now appears in\nRemote Viewing that the Reptoid ETs, dinosaurs and dragons are all linked\ntogether and that they all originated on Earth. The Erideans who are Reptoid\nderivatives have a home planet (in the Eridanus system) like all other ETs.\nThe Reptoids have no reported home planet. They also come over as entities\nwith little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit. This is a\ndescription of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see\nthem. Thus it could be that the Reptoids, Erideans, Nordics, Anunnaki, but\nnot the Greys, all have origins on Earth and have a strong link to Earth\neven if they choose to live elsewhere. The Greys do not appear to have a\nrenal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on Earth.\nThe definitive work on dragons is \"The Flight of Dragons\" by Peter\nDickinson. If dragons did exist in the flesh, they did not survive the long\nbow. Targets do not come much bigger.\n\nTruth is stranger than fiction. Thus the writer's current scenario is that\nthere were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard\ntheir eggs and young, and who probably preferred to live underground. They\nsurvived the wipe out of the dinosaurs 50 million years ago with difficulty.\nThey evolved into the Erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet\n(for them) possibly with the help of another race of ETs who wanted slaves\nbut otherwise had no interest in Earth or mind control.\n\nThus it appears that the current Reptoids are the Spirits or ghosts of the\ndinosaurs. They must have been powerful to survive 50 million years and also\nto appear to some people. They have appeared to the writer in remote\nviewing. They are living on as vampire entities. Such immortal minds are\ncontagious and can easily jump race and species barriers. If they can be\nencouraged to reincarnate, then the power sources of the black magicians and\nmind controllers will disappear. Encouraging them to reincarnate will help\nso called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great\ndifficulty surviving reincarnation. Purging people's dinosaurs should remove\nall perverse psychic abilities not under their control. They are a source of\nSatanic Guardian Angels and demons. They control us by owning our psi. Thus\nif we regain ownership of psi, we must relinquish their control and that of\nall other mind controllers. Encourage people to regain ownership of their\npsi.\n\nTHE ORIGINS OF LOVE, HATE AND PURE MALICE. The following scenario appears to\nhold water and can account for the origins of our Universal Subconscious.\n\nDinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of\nrotting vegetation (a good source of beetles and grubs for young\nhatchelings). They did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm, which made\nthem very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change. In order to\nkeep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control. To do this\nthey had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators. This is an\nact of hatred and outward looking. While a few dinosaurs did develop the\nability to bear living young, most did not. The dinosaurs got in first and\nso their mind control tends to override all other latter minds. They have\nbecome the source of all Satans, devils and demons.\n\nBirds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep\nthem warm. A hen bird normally lays a series of eggs (say one per day) and\nonly starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid. Thus all eggs tend\nto hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth. This is\nprimarily an act of love but inward looking. Bearing live young is not\nsuitable to a bird of the air. A pregnant pigeon would not fly very far.\nAntarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm,\neven if they are standing on ice.\n\nMammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act\nof love and inward looking. This is especially true as a mammalian female\ncan not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird\nsitting on a nest.\n\nDinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young,\nwhile birds and mammals developed love. Birds and mammals certainly do hate\nall enemies of their young, but this is secondary.\n\nIf one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician, then\npurge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs. Unfortunately most of our\nreligions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control,\nregardless of the front they put out to the public. Religion tends to\nconcentrate on \"How to Brainwash your Neighbour\". Conscious thought has\nbuilt many mighty empires, theologies and slave control systems out of using\n\"How to care for and protect one's young\" as a foundation.\n\nThus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something \"A load of\ndinosaur's eggs\". Purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur's eggs of any entity\ntends to purge all malice back to its roots.\n\nIt looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings,\naided and abetted by various occultists and other. As they will insist on\nvampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the\nserenity of the writer, he encourages them to reincarnate.\n\nITEMS FOR INSPECTION. For mind control to take place, then someone must take\ncontrol or ownership of the target's psi and pleasure centres. Check for the\nfollowing.\n\nNest of dinosaur's eggs, holy dinosaurs, etc.\nEggs, controllers or owners in peoples psi, pleasure centres, pain killing\nhormones, abilities, etc.\nMind machines.\nThe original engraving or engram.\nGOD and SATAN appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right. T\nhey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams. No doubt dinosaurs were the\nfirst job holders.\nTIMETRACKS are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of\ntime.\n\nMy, our, Man's timetracks, etc.\nThe time tracks of the Universe, Universal Subconscious, Galactic\nSubconscious, etc.\nEXTINCT RACES of ETs can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode.\nTheir virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices. Whenever\none hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes, suspect that the\nhigher plane is a vampire one. One may never know what they looked like or\nother basic characteristics, which makes linking back a trifle difficult.\nEvery extinct race, etc.\nBLOOD ANCESTORS are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via\ngenetic linkages. Some of these can be over 2,000 years old.\nEvery blood ancestor, ancestral mind, genetic mind, etc.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Neat stuff. Seems to combine elements of Scientology/Xenu and\nDavid Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html).\n\n- Gordon\n\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: \"Mr. FoRK\" <fork_list@hotmail.com>\nTo: <fork@example.com>\nSent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:11 PM\nSubject: Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil\n\n\n> One of the most bizarre pages I've seen on the Web. At first I thought it\n> might be some sort of back-story to a RPG, but, nope, it looks like somebody\n> believes this.\n> \n> ===\n> http://www.viking-z.org/r20i.htm\n> \n> M09. Dinosaurs Eggs and the Origins of Good and Evil.\n> DINOSAURS. Reptoid ETs are reported to be 12 foot high crocodiles walking on\n> their hind legs. This is a description of a dinosaur. It now appears in\n> Remote Viewing that the Reptoid ETs, dinosaurs and dragons are all linked\n> together and that they all originated on Earth. The Erideans who are Reptoid\n> derivatives have a home planet (in the Eridanus system) like all other ETs.\n> The Reptoids have no reported home planet. They also come over as entities\n> with little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit. This is a\n> description of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see\n> them. Thus it could be that the Reptoids, Erideans, Nordics, Anunnaki, but\n> not the Greys, all have origins on Earth and have a strong link to Earth\n> even if they choose to live elsewhere. The Greys do not appear to have a\n> renal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on Earth.\n> The definitive work on dragons is \"The Flight of Dragons\" by Peter\n> Dickinson. If dragons did exist in the flesh, they did not survive the long\n> bow. Targets do not come much bigger.\n> \n> Truth is stranger than fiction. Thus the writer's current scenario is that\n> there were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard\n> their eggs and young, and who probably preferred to live underground. They\n> survived the wipe out of the dinosaurs 50 million years ago with difficulty.\n> They evolved into the Erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet\n> (for them) possibly with the help of another race of ETs who wanted slaves\n> but otherwise had no interest in Earth or mind control.\n> \n> Thus it appears that the current Reptoids are the Spirits or ghosts of the\n> dinosaurs. They must have been powerful to survive 50 million years and also\n> to appear to some people. They have appeared to the writer in remote\n> viewing. They are living on as vampire entities. Such immortal minds are\n> contagious and can easily jump race and species barriers. If they can be\n> encouraged to reincarnate, then the power sources of the black magicians and\n> mind controllers will disappear. Encouraging them to reincarnate will help\n> so called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great\n> difficulty surviving reincarnation. Purging people's dinosaurs should remove\n> all perverse psychic abilities not under their control. They are a source of\n> Satanic Guardian Angels and demons. They control us by owning our psi. Thus\n> if we regain ownership of psi, we must relinquish their control and that of\n> all other mind controllers. Encourage people to regain ownership of their\n> psi.\n> \n> THE ORIGINS OF LOVE, HATE AND PURE MALICE. The following scenario appears to\n> hold water and can account for the origins of our Universal Subconscious.\n> \n> Dinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of\n> rotting vegetation (a good source of beetles and grubs for young\n> hatchelings). They did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm, which made\n> them very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change. In order to\n> keep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control. To do this\n> they had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators. This is an\n> act of hatred and outward looking. While a few dinosaurs did develop the\n> ability to bear living young, most did not. The dinosaurs got in first and\n> so their mind control tends to override all other latter minds. They have\n> become the source of all Satans, devils and demons.\n> \n> Birds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep\n> them warm. A hen bird normally lays a series of eggs (say one per day) and\n> only starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid. Thus all eggs tend\n> to hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth. This is\n> primarily an act of love but inward looking. Bearing live young is not\n> suitable to a bird of the air. A pregnant pigeon would not fly very far.\n> Antarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm,\n> even if they are standing on ice.\n> \n> Mammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act\n> of love and inward looking. This is especially true as a mammalian female\n> can not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird\n> sitting on a nest.\n> \n> Dinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young,\n> while birds and mammals developed love. Birds and mammals certainly do hate\n> all enemies of their young, but this is secondary.\n> \n> If one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician, then\n> purge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs. Unfortunately most of our\n> religions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control,\n> regardless of the front they put out to the public. Religion tends to\n> concentrate on \"How to Brainwash your Neighbour\". Conscious thought has\n> built many mighty empires, theologies and slave control systems out of using\n> \"How to care for and protect one's young\" as a foundation.\n> \n> Thus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something \"A load of\n> dinosaur's eggs\". Purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur's eggs of any entity\n> tends to purge all malice back to its roots.\n> \n> It looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings,\n> aided and abetted by various occultists and other. As they will insist on\n> vampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the\n> serenity of the writer, he encourages them to reincarnate.\n> \n> ITEMS FOR INSPECTION. For mind control to take place, then someone must take\n> control or ownership of the target's psi and pleasure centres. Check for the\n> following.\n> \n> Nest of dinosaur's eggs, holy dinosaurs, etc.\n> Eggs, controllers or owners in peoples psi, pleasure centres, pain killing\n> hormones, abilities, etc.\n> Mind machines.\n> The original engraving or engram.\n> GOD and SATAN appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right. T\n> hey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams. No doubt dinosaurs were the\n> first job holders.\n> TIMETRACKS are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of\n> time.\n> \n> My, our, Man's timetracks, etc.\n> The time tracks of the Universe, Universal Subconscious, Galactic\n> Subconscious, etc.\n> EXTINCT RACES of ETs can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode.\n> Their virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices. Whenever\n> one hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes, suspect that the\n> higher plane is a vampire one. One may never know what they looked like or\n> other basic characteristics, which makes linking back a trifle difficult.\n> Every extinct race, etc.\n> BLOOD ANCESTORS are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via\n> genetic linkages. Some of these can be over 2,000 years old.\n> Every blood ancestor, ancestral mind, genetic mind, etc.\n> \n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tuesday 01 October 2002 01:27 am, Mr. FoRK wrote:\n> http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/\n\nSome classics from this period, now in a new English translation:\n\"The Sagas of Icelanders\" in trade paperback, from (duh) Viking, in 2000.\nRemaindered at my local Barnes & Ignoble. The historical reference \nmaterial is useful.\n\nEirikur\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 10:27 PM -0700 on 9/30/02, Mr. FoRK wrote:\n\n\n> I realize now, that after reviewing the past several years of work and\n> career, I have been in the wrong business. The wrong business.\n>\n> This is what I should have been doing.\n>\n> http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/\n\nA New Manual has been published:\n\n<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=6T1JTEGKQP&isbn=0140447695>\n\nOr, the one I read...\n <http://http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=6T1JTEGKQP&isbn=0140441034>\n\nAnd, of course, the open source versions...\n\nhttp://users.ev1.net/~theweb/njaltoc.htm\n\nhttp://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Njal/\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\nexperience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\nhttp://www.quitpalestine.org./\n\nFunny as all hell. So a group of 25 QUIT (Queers Undermining Israeli\nTerrorism) marched into the local starbucks in Berkeley (Of course,\nthey pick a safe city like Berkeley, but hey, still funny) and\n'settle' driving away straights and other prior inhabitants with\nsupersoakers :)\n\nIncredibly creative, in my opinion. Not terribly violent (I mean, how\nmuch damage can you -really- do with a supersoaker?) but definintely\na newscatcher.\n\nIts nice to see folks are finding some creative means to make a point.\n Even if you don't -agree- with it, its a hard sell to say that this\n has been done before.\n\n<C'mon... I'm just waiting for the uproar from the Conservatives on the\nlist ... :-)>\n\n\n\n-- \nBest regards,\n bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft. We support only a few web sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar position.\n\nWe have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail and now a DNS server. As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web and DNS traffic is almost nothing. Everything is on lightly loaded APC battery backups so we are very seldom down.\n\nI'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.\n\n\n\nBob Musser\nDatabase Services, Inc.\nMakers of:\n Process Server's Toolbox\n Courier Service Toolbox\nBobM@dbsinfo.com\nwww.dbsinfo.com\n106 Longhorn Road\nWinter Park FL 32792\n(407) 679-1539\n\n\n", "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN\">\n<HTML><HEAD>\n<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=\"text/html; charset=windows-1252\">\n<META content=\"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200\" name=GENERATOR>\n<STYLE></STYLE>\n</HEAD>\n<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm using Simple DNS from JHSoft.  We support only a few \nweb sites and I'd like to swap secondary services with someone in a similar \nposition.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>We have a static IP, DSL line and a 24/7 set of web, SQL, mail \nand now a DNS server.  As I said, we are hosting about 10 web sites, web \nand DNS traffic is almost nothing.  Everything is on lightly loaded APC \nbattery backups so we are very seldom down.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take \nadvantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2>Bob Musser<BR>Database Services, Inc.<BR>Makers \nof:<BR>   Process Server's Toolbox<BR>   Courier Service \nToolbox<BR><A href=\"mailto:BobM@dbsinfo.com\">BobM@dbsinfo.com</A><BR><A \nhref=\"http://www.dbsinfo.com\">www.dbsinfo.com</A><BR>106 Longhorn Road<BR>Winter \nPark FL 32792<BR>(407) 679-1539</FONT></DIV>\n<DIV> </DIV>\n<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>\n"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\nlet me put it /another/ way ...\n\n f> Mike says: how are you?\n f> SmarterChild says: Great thx! You?\n f> Mike says: Fine. What is the weather like in seattle?\n f> SmarterChild says: Current weather conditions for Seattle, WA:\n\nOut of 8 /million/ alledged visitors, this is the /best/ example???\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"802.11b - 11Mbps per channel over three channels in the 2.4GHz range \n(also shared with microwaves and cordless phones) at rages up to ~300 ft.\n802.11a runs on 12 channels in the 5GHz range and up to around five \ntimes more bandwidth (~54Mbps or so) but has less range (60-100 ft). \n8021.11a also adds Forward Error Correction into the scheme to allow for \nmore reliable data transmission.\nWhich to use really depends on what you're doing with it. Streaming \nvideo almost necessitates 802.11a, while streaming just audio can be \ncomfortably done with 802.11b provided that there isn't much \ninterference or too many clients.\nPrices? Don't know... Haven't done the research. For covering a large \narea 802.11a will be more expensive due to the need for more APs. If you \nwant to reach the local coffee shop, however, you will need a \ndirectional antenna either way.\n\nCheck out http://www.80211-planet.com, they've got some good articles on \n802.11... Also, some of the best info on 802.11 security I've seen can \nbe found at http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/IEEE/.\n\n\nGive me bandwidth or give me death,\nElias\n\n\nTom wrote:\n\n>... I have one very pressing question.... Wifi ranges.. ...\n>\n>Do I got for 802.11b stuff or do I gold out for 802.11a ? Is the price\n>point break goign to warrant the differnce?\n>\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n--- begin forwarded text\n\n\nStatus: RO\nDate: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:21:05 +1000\nTo: \"John S. Denker\" <jsd@monmouth.com>\nFrom: Greg Rose <ggr@qualcomm.com>\nSubject: Re: Optical analog computing?\nCc: \"R. A. Hettinga\" <rah@shipwright.com>,\n Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs@philodox.com>,\n cryptography@wasabisystems.com\n\nAt 01:30 AM 10/2/2002 -0400, John S. Denker wrote:\n>\"R. A. Hettinga\" wrote:\n>...\n> > \"the first computer to crack enigma was optical\"\n>1) Bletchley Park used optical sensors, which were (and\n>still are) the best way to read paper tape at high speed.\n>You can read about it in the standard accounts, e.g.\n> http://www.picotech.com/applications/colossus.html\n\nBut Colossus was not for Enigma. The bombes used for Enigma were\nelectro-mechanical. I'm not aware of any application of optical techniques\nto Enigma, unless they were done in the US and are still classified. And\nclearly, the first bulk breaks of Enigma were done by the bombes, so I\nguess it depends whether you count bombes as computers or not, whether this\nstatement has any credibility at all.\n\nGreg.\n\n\n\nWilliams/Zenon 2004 campaign page: http://www.ben4prez.org\n\nGreg Rose INTERNET: ggr@qualcomm.com\nQualcomm Australia VOICE: +61-2-9817 4188 FAX: +61-2-9817 5199\nLevel 3, 230 Victoria Road, http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/\nGladesville NSW 2111 232B EC8F 44C6 C853 D68F E107 E6BF CD2F 1081 A37C\n\n--- end forwarded text\n\n\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\nexperience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nOver on Arstechnica (www.arstechnica.com) I saw mention of a Wired article\nthat goes into the many wonderfull ways Apple is showing its love and\nrespect for its users.\n\nhttp://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,55395,00.html\n\nThere is a good rundown of all the whys and whatfores over at\nhttp://arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-5.html\n\n\"True to form, industrious third party developers saw that they could gain\na competitive advantage by supporting this more capable user interface in\ntheir applications. Apple's private menu extras APIs were reverse\nengineered and leveraged to great effect. The architecture was so popular\nthat an application for managing predefined sets of menu extras (third\nparty or otherwise) was in development.\n\nAll of that changed with the release of Jaguar--but not because the\nprivate APIs had changed. If they had, third party developers would have\nupdated their applications to work with the new APIs, as they have\nresigned themselves to doing by choosing to use private APIs in the first\nplace.\n\nBut what actually happened in Jaguar was that Apple added code to forcibly\nexclude all non-Apple menu extras. Other parts of the API did not change.\nBut when a menu extra is loaded, it is compared to a hard-coded list of\n\"known\" menu extras from Apple. If the menu extra is not on that list, it\nis not allowed to load.\n\nIt's easy to laugh at Steve Ballmer's sweat-soaked gyrations as he chants\n\"developers, developers, developers!\", but Microsoft clearly understands\nsomething that Apple is still struggling with. It is in a platform\nvendor's best interest to encourage development for its platform. In\nApple's case, this doesn't mean that they have to bend over backwards to\nmake every single system service and UI element \"pluggable\" via public\nAPIs. That's clearly a lot of work, and not something that needs to be the\nnumber one priority for an OS in its infancy. And in the meantime, if\nthird party developers want to sell into a market that requires the\ndesired functionality to be added in \"unsupported\" ways, then they must be\nprepared for the maintenance consequences of their decisions.\n\nBut for Apple to go out of its way--to actually expend developer\neffort--to stop these third party developers, while still failing to\nprovide a supported alternative, is incredibly foolish. \"\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nWell it looks pretty much 99% sure that we will be moving in on Nov 1 to\nthe new house. I think the only thing that stops us now are acts of\ndieties and total economic collapse..so no one mention the dow for the\nnext few weeks..\n\nIn preperation we drove to Best Buy tonight and picked up the test core\nfor the wifi net. I got a linksys BEFW11S4(1) for the router/hub/wireless\nap/firewall/etc and a linksys wifi pcmcia card for the laptop\n\nI made one false move so it took about 30 mins all told to set up the\ncard, the router, and the other 3 machines in the house on the wire ether\nhub. All vfery neat very easy and very very cool set up via the\nwebinterface. I have to dig into the firewall/nat/routing features some\nmore (i have been reading up the wifi security blackpaper on ars technica)\nbut all in all a smooth move.\n\n\nNow the place im at now, the house soon to be the ex house, has lots of\nfunky things going on in the walls and in the area. We are in ,\nessentialy, a gravel pit..recption of all types suck and transmisions get\ngoofy inside the pit. That being said... with 2 walls and 40 feet between\nthe AP and the pcmica card (no external antena on it) Im still getting\n11mbs and at least 60% goodness.\n\n\nSome cool things about the new house...its a 1912 job so no metal works\ninthe walls to speak of , mostly wood and plaster. We dont have a\nmicrowave and our cordless phines are on 900mhz (yea so I can use my bear\ncat to listen in on some calls, with kids in the house is that such a bad\nthing? Ben or heather, if you read this years from now...well by then I\nhope youare better at countermoeasures:)- )\n\nOk, enough testing for tonight. I gota say, being able to do this in bed\nby vncing via wifi to my desktop is a blast...oh no...wifes pillow is\nheading this way....DUCKKKKK\n\n\n(1)http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=173\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 1:16 AM -0400 on 10/3/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:\n\n\n> \"The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be\n> beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you\n> discover that there is no reason.\" -- John Cage\n\n\"When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only\nhow to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not\nbeautiful, I know it is wrong.\" -- R. Buckminster Fuller\n\n\"Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all\ndifficulties.\" -- Frederic Chopin\n\n\"Externalities are the last refuge of the dirigistes.\" -- Friedrich Hayek\n\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"The stoical scheme of supplying our wants by lopping off our\ndesires is like cutting off our feet when we want shoes.\"\n -- Jonathan Swift\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nActually this is output from an old java program called jitter.\nIt's very useful for those of us with digital cameras who end up\ntaking 50+ pictures a day while on vacation ;)\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"S\" == Stephen D Williams <sdw@lig.net> writes:\n\n S> The purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps,\n S> and thus become one with the ocean of Living Love.\n\n\"One choice is a psychosis. Two, a neurosis\" -- Ven Joan Shikai\nWoodward, Northern Mountain Order of the White Wind Zen Community\n\njust a thought.\n\n(oh, yes, the bits: Women in Zen - http://lhamo.tripod.com/2zen.htm)\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On 10/2/02 12:00 PM, \"Mr. FoRK\" <fork_list@hotmail.com> wrote:\n> What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but\n> they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc?\n> example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to\n> mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked.\n\nMy guess is it's more insidious than that, it's going to be ActiveSpam.\n\n\"Oh, you're going to Seattle? I can get you airline tickets for less\"\n\nYuck\n-- \nperegrine \\PEH-ruh-grun or PEH-ruh-green\\ (adjective)\n : having a tendency to wander\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Greetings,\n\nCarey wants you to know about a story on www.theage.com.au\n\n\nPersonal Message:\nAh the Ig Nobels, always worth a read :) If only they had a cat-mood decipherer. ^__^\n\nNavel gazing wins an Ig Nobel\nBy Jay Lindsay <br>Boston\nOctober 05 2002\n\nURL: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538774048.html\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"(This list is sponsored by Ironclad Networks http://www.ironclad.net.au/)\n\nHello!\n\n\nFriday, August 30, 2002, 7:25:31 PM Bob Musser <BobM@dbsinfo.com> wrote:\n\n[lost]\n\nBM> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take\nBM> advantage of the trusted zone file transfer option.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nAre you speaking about limiting AXFR requests on IP address basis? If\nyes, then virtually every BIND-equipped DNS server in the world will\nbe suitable for your needs.\n\n\n-- \n\nYours sincerely,\n\nAndrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/\n\n\n--\nTo Unsubscribe: <dns-swap-off@lists.ironclad.net.au>\nSponsor & Host: Ironclad Networks <http://www.ironclad.net.au/>\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"The structure of the Internet has never\nbeen about where the ditches and ruts\nare dug although the world needs\nditch diggers too.\n\nIt's a simple inductive concept:\nYou are you and see the world as such,\nYou plus 1 degree of separation is a new you.\n\nAll this stuff about scale-free Internets, viruses,\nsex, and money is silly. Scale-free statistically\nindistinguishable models really means Internet-Scale\nas rediscovered by social networks people.\n\n> Research has shown that the network of human sexual partners \n > seems to be scale-free, too\n\nI tend to prefer the Harvard Business Review\nto the Economist as they tend to spend less\ntime writing about who's sleeping with whom and\ncome up with real statistical models.\n\nGreg\n\nLies, Damn lies, and statistics.\n\n\nRussell Turpin wrote:\n> Not exactly new bits, but I enjoyed seeing The Economist\n> pick up on the similarity between computer and social\n> networks:\n> \n> http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1365118\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com\n> \n> \n\n\n-- \nGregory Alan Bolcer, CTO \| work: +1.949.833.2800\ngbolcer at endeavors.com \| http://endeavors.com\nEndeavors Technology, Inc.\| cell: +1.714.928.5476\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"she read the links. what must it be like, she wondered, to devote ones life\nto pointing out neighbors' mistakes, mishaps, inconsistencies and\nfrailties?\n\ngloating is definitely underrated in the good book - eh, john?\n\nbring it on,\ngg\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John\nHall\nSent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:56 PM\nTo: FoRK\nSubject: Our friends the Palestinians, Our servants in government.\n\n\n\n\nHijacker High (8/30)\nDalal Mughrabi was a Palestinian woman who participated in a 1978 bus\nhijacking in which 36 Israelis and an American nature photographer, Gail\nRuban, were killed. Mughrabi has a Palestinian high school named after\nher, and it's apparently starting to show signs of wear. Fortunately,\nthe United States Agency for International Development has stepped in\nwith money to help renovate it.\n\nhttp://reason.com/brickbats/bb-april.shtml\n\nLinks to:\n\nhttp://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\\ForeignBureaus\\archi\nve\\200208\\FOR20020807e.html\n\nPraeterea censeo Palestininem esse delendam.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"John Hall wrote:\n\n>It wasn't gloating, it was one for the horror file.\n>\n>And of course for the Palestinians it wasn't a mistake, which is a key\n>part of the horror.\n>\n>I'm not against American taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer\n>if we do it with a daisy cutter.\n>\n>\n> \n>\nI'm sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills \nthe last Palestinian in a few years.\n\nOwen\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Yes, you read the links.\n\nSorry, but exposing folly is not only humorous but also instructive. It\nis only by exposing folly to ridicule that you stop it in the first\nplace.\n\n'Brickbats' leans heavily on both, though the item I highlighted was a\n'horror' item not a 'gee that is stupid' item. For an example of the\nlatter, see the city that wanted a woman to pay a ticket for parking in\nan UNmarked no-parking space.\n\n> From: Geege Schuman [mailto:geege@barrera.org]\n> \n> see my first line: I READ THE LINKS. brickbats. idiot.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"It was a kick when an apt manager kept mailing me a notice that I owed \nthem .08. I just waited to see how many times they'd mail me a notice. 7 \ntimes by the time I left and paid them the .08. Funny thing was, I lived \nright behind the office where it was mailed from. (:\nCindy\n\nOn Mon, 7 Oct 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:\n\n> \n> \n> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now).\n> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing\n> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33.\n> \n> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together.\n> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there\n> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed\n> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu\n> of being returned pennies.\n> \n> I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the\n> check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to\n> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues.\n> \n> \n> Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't\n> even make a phone call these days.\n> \n> boggled\n> BB.\n> \n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nI know I heard of this a few years back but Wired and Slashyrot are both\nrunning stories on 10mbs data transfer via human touch.\n\nOh I can see it now, The first bicostal file exchange system that will see\nthe newsest Offspring tunes distribute by handshake, copulation and\nmoshpiting.\n\nhttp://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992891\nhttp://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5239758%255E13762,00.html\nhttp://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/0238234.shtml?tid=100\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 12:48, Owen Byrne wrote:\n> I suppose Canada, which is supposed to be a \"loose confederation\" of 2 \n> founding nations (French and English) can be cited as a success. The \n> jury is still out, but so far only a few brief rebellions and \n> referendums and such, still together after 130+ years.\n\n\nAlberta, and to a lesser extent some of the other Western provinces, is\ndefinitely not happy with the current arrangement. Some of this has to\ndo with the strange way the Canadian government is structured. When I\nwas last up in Alberta (a month ago), the newspapers were reporting\nsomething like 70% of Albertans favor separating from Canada, and over\nseveral distinct issues.\n\nThe problem is basically that while Alberta is an economic powerhouse\nthat is propping up the weaker economies of the Eastern provinces, their\ninterests are openly and unapologetically ignored by the government in\nOttawa. While Alberta sends something like twice the tax dollars to\nOttawa per capita of the average Canadian, they only have token\nrepresentation in the federal government. While I'm not clear on\nexactly how the government works up there, representation is not\nentirely based on population, and it works out that some eastern\nprovinces with populations smaller than the city of Calgary alone have\nsubstantially more representatives in the legislature than the entire\nprovince of Alberta. \n\nThe long and the short of it is that the eastern provinces use Alberta\nas a personal ATM machine for their social programs while not even so\nmuch as throwing Alberta a bone, and are able to do so because even the\nsparsely populated eastern provinces can out-vote Alberta despite having\nfewer people. Or something like that. The Canadian government is less\nrestricted than the US government, so they can do strange things, like\nhaving restrictive regulations that only apply to certain provinces,\nAlberta being on the receiving end of many such obscenities. It is\nessentially a much worse version of what is happening in the\ninter-mountain West of the US. Unlike the US case though, the rest of\nCanada would really be hurting if they weren't receiving all those tax\ndollars from Alberta. OTOH, Alberta would probably thrive.\n\nI have friends in Alberta, and visit occasionally, but I'm not totally\nclear on everything that goes on in that country, due to my partial\nunfamiliarity with how the government works up there, so I'm a little\nfuzzy on some of the details. What I do know is that on average the\nAlbertans are quite unhappy with their current position in Canada and\nthe sentiment has been getting worse over the years.\n\nCheers,\n\n-James Rogers\n jamesr@best.com\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Chris Haun wrote:\n> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the carbon of \n> your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful life.\n\nWhy wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in\nthe fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond.\n\n- Joe\n\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of\nDave\n> Long\n> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:12 AM\n> To: fork@example.com\n> Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism\n> \n> \n> \n> When I'd read that \"getting legal title\n> can take 20 years\", when I believe that\n> 1 year ought to be more than sufficient,\n> (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd\n> assumed that we were talking about the\n> urban poor.\n> \n> If I see people living in mansions, or\n> even in suburban subdivisions, I assume\n> they didn't have too much trouble with\n> their titles.\n\nPg 177:\nIn another country, a local newspaper, intrigued by our evidence of\nextralegal real estate holdings, checked to see if the head of state's\nofficial residence had a recorded title. It did not.\n\nPg 92:\nThe value of land in the formal sector of Lima averages US$50 per square\nmeter, whereas in the area of Gamarra, where a great deal of Peru's\ninformal manufacturing sector resides, the value per square meter can go\nas high as US$3,000.\n\n==========\n\nI'd have made the same assumption you did. De Soto says that isn't\ncorrect. You can find mansions that don't have title. A lot of them,\nin fact. But they can't be used for collateral for a loan, or otherwise\nparticipate as 'capital' because of their extra-legal status.\n\n \n> > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.\n> \n> On the \"to find\" list. Any chance of\n> an explanation of that \"Bell Jar\" in\n> the meantime?\n\nFrench historian Fernand Braudel (so Braudel's Bell Jar, not De Soto's)\n\n==>\n\nThe key problem is to find out why that sector of society of the past,\nwhich I would not hesitate to call capitalist, should have lived as if\nin a bell jar, cut off from the rest; why was it not able to expand and\nconquer the whole of society? ... [Why was it that] a significant rate\nof capital formation was possible only in certain sectors and not in the\nwhole market economy of the time? ... It would perhaps be teasingly\nparadoxial to say that whatever was in short supply, money certainly was\nnot ... so this was an age where poor land was bought up and magnificent\ncountry residents built ... [How do we] resolve the contradiction ...\nbetween the depressed economic climate and the splendors of Florence\nunder Lorenzo the Magnificent?\n \n\n--------------\n\nDe Soto's theory is that the Bell Jar is formed when you segregate those\nwho have practical access to legal property rights and those who do\nnot. The poor[1] have property -- lots and lots of property. What they\ndon't have is access to the systems where we turn property into capital\nand allow it to start growing. Their property can only be exchanged\nwith a small section of people who know them personally.\n\n[1] Actual poor people, not 'poor' Americans with a living standard that\nis the envy of most of the world.\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nPolitical mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me. I like it a lot of the \ntime, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get \non TV. Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to \nget information.\n\nbut what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as\nwell protected as any other political speech. Spam is the tool for\ndissident news, since the face that it's unsolicited means that recipients\ncan't be blamed for being on a mailing list.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I am trying to rebuild the recently posted ALSA driver package for my \nkernel. Although I run Red Hat 7.3, I am not using a Red Hat kernel \npackage: my kernel is lovingly downloaded, configured, and built by \nhand. Call me old fashioned.\n\nSadly, the RPM rebuild fails part way through:\n\n % rpm --rebuild alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3-fr6.src.rpm\n\n gcc -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE=1 \\\n -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include \\\n -I/lib/modules/2.4.18/build/include -O2 \\\n -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -DLINUX -Wall \\\n -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -DEXPORT_SYMTAB \\\n -c sound.c\n\n sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a \\\n function)\n\n sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant\n\n sound.c:41: (near initialization for \\\n __ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')\n\n make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1\n\nThe line in question looks like this:\n\n\t/* USB workaround */\n\t#if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 5, 24)\n\t#if defined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO) \|\| \\\n\tdefined(CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO_MODULE) \|\| \\\n\tdefined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI) \|\| \\\n\tdefined(CONFIG_SND_USB_MIDI_MODULE)\n-41-> \nEXPORT_SYMBOL(snd_hack_usb_set_interface);\n\t#endif\n\t#endif\n\nAny suggestions?\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I wrote:\n>I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac\n>going to Brighton.\n\nActually it doesn't say that they did, just that Blair spoke to\nWilliams there.\n\nR\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:\n\n> Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true\n> that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy.\n> Especially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and\n> placed herself unto another, but hey :-))\n\nBandwidth is bandwidth. AOL is still the only mom-friendly place to get it.\n\n> ducks and runs\n\nWhat, like i'm not skilled with a bow? You better run really fast :-P\n\n> (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to)\n\nWell lets see, about 99% of all anime? In anime dead people can talk, email,\nhang out, and generally lead normal lives. Come to think of it they tend to\nbe the primary characters ;)\n\nBut I suspect you mean Serial Experiments Lain, in which the initial \"i'm\nnot dead yet\" is via email.\n\n- Adam L. \"Duncan\" Beberg\n http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/\n beberg@mithral.com\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I'm fairly confused here, with Procmail. \nI know this isn't a procmail list per-se; feel free to answer my questions in \nprivate email to r_gilmanhunt@hotp.com. \n\nI've looked for web-stuff to answer this question but I can't find anything \nspecific on this scenario.\n\nHere's the situation. \nI have a global /etc/procmailrc file. It works, and when I insert stuff into \nit for logging (LOGFILE=/root/procmail.log, VERBOSE=yeah. LOGABSTRACT=all) it \nshows up where I expect it to (the log in /root/procmail.log) At the end of \nthis file, I use \n :0fw\n \| spamc\nto call spamassassin.\n\nAlso in it is a carboncopy recipe (yes, I know, it's one of the evils we do \nfor our corporate masters) (at the top) (to their credit, I am instructed \nthat they are not interested in the actual contents, but are concerned about \nfuture lawsuits and their culpability, so they want a record made. Discussion \non this point is immaterial)\n:0\n * ? test -d $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR \|\| mkdir -p --mode=750 $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR\n { }\n:0 c\n $SAVEAT\n\nI have several users where I forward certain spams to /dev/null . . .their \nprocmailrc file (/home/$user/.procmailrc) looks like this:\n:0\n * ^From: .spermfun.com\n /dev/null\n\nNow I've got a person who needs a copy of her inbound emails sent to another \nemail address (outside the company), so I've got this recipe in her \n/home/$user/.procmailrc file:\n:0 c\n !user@domain.tld\n\nIt almost looks like procmail's not running a user's copy recipe after a \nglobal copy recipe, except that I can replace that user's one with \n:0 \n ^Subject: .*test\n procmail.holder\nand get the same result.\n\nThe result, to put it succinctly, is \"nothing\". No forwards go out, no files \nare made, if I try to log information, no logs are set up. I've modified the \nuser/group and permissions to match known-working recipes (the spermfun \nexample above) and still nothing. However, I can redirect those other \nmessages. In other words- just this user's procmailrc file is not working- \nother users have no problems.\n\nAny suggestions would be helpful :) \n\n-Russ\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old\ncell phone? Get a new here for FREE!\nhttps://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\nSpamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote:\n\n--]Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked\n--]out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK?\n\n\nOh please. Walking sideways like that is bad for your shoes.\n\nThough it is kinda cute when you get all reasonomatic\n\nbang bang\n\nhave a nice day.\n\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Hardware acceleration for SSL makes sense since PKI can slow down a\ntransaction by as much as 1,000-fold. Per this article, XML formatting only\nincreases doc size by about 20-fold.. I'm not sure there are enough \"powers\nof ten\" in there to justify hardware acceleration. \n\nExpect the next major release from DataPower to be the revolutionary new\n\"email chip\" - allows you to offload the sending and receiving of email\nmessages onto dedicated hardware while you get on w/ more important things\n.. like listening to MP3s..\n\nBest, \nPaul Sholtz\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Rohit Khare\nTo: fork@example.com\nSent: 8/27/02 3:00 PM\nSubject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon\n\nNo analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw\n\nbits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best, \nRohit\n\n===========================================================\n\nDataPower delivers XML acceleration device\nBy Scott Tyler Shafer\nAugust 27, 2002 5:46 am PT\n\nDATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed \nspecifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that \nprocess XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in \nhardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance, \naccording to company officials.\n\nThe new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a\n\nfamily of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The\n\nDataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology \ncalled XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML \ndata.\n\nAccording to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was \nconceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future \nproliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two \nbusinesses.\n\n\"Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure,\" Kelly said. \n\"The XA35 is the first of a family.\"\n\nKelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up\n\nto 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on \napplication servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best \nalternative.\n\nIn addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount \nimportance in the world of XML.\n\n\"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only,\" Kelly \nsaid. \"A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall. \nFirewalls are blind to XML today.\"\n\nFuture products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on \nsecurity, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.\n\nAccording to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML \nprocessing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company\n\nitself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed \nand security. After trying the software path, the company turned to \ncreating a solution that would process XML in hardware.\n\n\"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code,\" said Kelly, \nadding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly \nsaid in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with \ntechnologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes \nwill be mostly false.\nOther content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer) \naccelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet,\n\nwhile the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes\n\nand thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.\n\nThe 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of\n\nXML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language \nas they pass through the device.\n\nThe XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load \nbalancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify \nand process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.\n\nIn addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application\n\nco-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular \ncontrol over what data is inspected and the application server itself \ncontrols the device.\n\nDataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup \nSarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in\n\nMay, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a \nfocus on content processing and acceleration.\nThe DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The \ncompany has announced one customer to date and says the product is in \nfield trails at a number of other enterprises.\n\n========================================================================\n=\n\nDataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was \nfounded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who \nforesaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols \nwould have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML \ngrew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and \ndesigned the industry's first solutions to address the unique \nrequirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software \ninterpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing \nis still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today.\n\nLeveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from \ndeveloping software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar \nand designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In \n2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3™), the \nindustry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.\n\nToday, XG3™ technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML \nnetwork devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web \nServices. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of\n\nproducts, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology, \nproviding an immediate return on technology investments to \nindustry-leading customers and partners.\n\nDataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that \nbrings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries,\n\ndrawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including \nAkamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.\n\n========================================================================\n=\n\nDataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding\n\nVenrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer\n\nin XML-Aware Networking for Web Services\n\nCAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the \nleading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced \nthat it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for \nthis round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed \nCapital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius, \nand Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower’s Board of \nDirectors.\n\nDataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and\n\nsales of the company’s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking.\n\nFounded in 1999, DataPower invented the world’s first intelligent XML \nnetworking devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions\n\nat the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services \nand other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower’s solutions are based on \nits patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3™) technology.\n\n\"Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and \nintra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill \nprepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type. \nDataPower’s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of \nXML that is required to support next generation enterprise \napplications,\" said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower \nTechnology.\n\n\"DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that’s critical to Web\n\nservices projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance.\" A single\n\nDataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10 \nservers—breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML \nprocessing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In \naddition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security, \nprotection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of \ne-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing \nbetween back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.\n\n\"In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require \nlaser-focused scrutiny. DataPower’s patent-pending technology addresses \na very real and growing pain point for enterprises,\" said Michael \nTyrrell of Venrock Associates. \"By turbo-charging their networks with \nDataPower’s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be \nfree to adopt next generation Web services without encountering \nperformance and security pitfalls.\"\n\n\"We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly\n\ngrowing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and \nsecurity,\" said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. \"DataPower is on\n\ntheir third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML \nGeneration Three (XG3) technology was quite simply the single most \ncompelling technology solution we have seen to date.\"\n\n\"XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious \nabout optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been \ndeveloping solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web \nservices,\" said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. \"DataPower’s \nXML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely\n\non XML for mission critical applications.\"\n\nAbout Venrock Associates\nVenrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the \nRockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs \nthat now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered \nearly stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments \nover a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track \nrecord of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology- \nbased enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the \nUnited States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with \ntalented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies. \nVenrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting \nentrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their \nconsistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related \nopportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of \ncontacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing \norganizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software, \nUSinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick, \nMedia Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York \nCity, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to \nrespond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock \nAssociates, please visit www.venrock.com\n\nAbout Mobius Venture Capital\nMobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5 \nbillion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an \nunparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers,\n\nsenior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from \nthe investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes \nprimarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications \nsystems software and services; infrastructure software and services; \nprofessional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics; \nconsumer and small business applications; components; and emerging \ntechnologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise \nand broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to \ncreate a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high \ntechnology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by \nvisiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.\n\nAbout Seed Capital Partners\nSeed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with \nSoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces.\n\nSeed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing \nInternet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology \nopportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the \nsoutheastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed\n\nCapital’s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions \nand CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please \nvisit www.seedcp.com.\n\nAbout DataPower Technology\nDataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware \nnetwork infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and \nmanageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower’s patent-pending \nXML Generation Three (XG3™) technology powers the industry’s first \nwirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications \nand XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its \nthird generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology\n\ninvestments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is \nprivately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius \nVenture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.\n\nCONTACT:\n\nDataPower Technology, Inc.\nKieran Taylor\n617-864-0455\nkieran@datapower.com\n\nSchwartz Communications\nJohn Moran/Heather Chichakly\n781-684-0770\ndatapower@schwartz-pr.com\n\n========================================================================\n\nSteve Kelly, chairman and CEO\n\nDuring over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has \nbuilt and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting \nservices to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of \nseveral start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an \nentrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of \nCastle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing\n\nfunctions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere\n\nNetworks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly \nwas an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and \nmanaged the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues\n\ngrew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure. \nKelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and \ngrew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the \nlargest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information \nSystems from Bentley College.\n\nEugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO\n\nEugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to \naddress enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded \nDataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an \nintelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation\n\napplications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT \nCompiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He \nwas also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room \nJava VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of \nthe industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer. \nHe has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of \nhardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory \nmanagement, power electronics, optimized execution engines and \napplication integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical \nengineering from MIT.\n\nSteve Willis, vice president of advanced technology\n\nSteve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol \noptimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO \nof Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that\n\nwas acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks; \nUnisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon, \nSteve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now \nNortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology \ndevelopment and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications, \ndeveloped a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the \nATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder, \noriginal software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a\n\nleading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the \nfastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune\n\nmagazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical \nand Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force \n(IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science\n\nfrom the University of Massachusetts.\n\nBill Tao, vice president of engineering\n\nWith a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and \nextensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25 \nyears of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts. \nPrior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for \nSycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network\n\nswitches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization \ntechniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at \nInfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance \nengineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held \nsenior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao \nreceived a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of \nConnecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of \nIllinois.\n\nKieran Taylor, director of product marketing\n\nKieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional, \nindustry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was \nthe director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies\n\n(NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the\n\ncompany's initial positioning and led the technical development and \ngo-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service. \nTaylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to \nsecure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management\n\npositions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was \npreviously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks \neditor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds \na B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School\n\nof Communications.\n\n=================================================================\nBoard of Advisors\n\nMark Hoover\nMark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up \naccelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry, \nHoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business \ndevelopment. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell \nLaboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where \nhe played a role in the development of key technologies, such as \n10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet \ntraffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.\n\nGeorge Kassabgi\nCurrently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has\n\nheld executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and \nhas spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server \nmarketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking \nengagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro,\n\nJava Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a \nvenerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject \nTechnology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.\n\nMarshall T. Rose\nMarshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He \nformerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)\n\nArea Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who \noversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of \nseveral professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management, \nElectronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in \nfour languages. He is well known for his implementations of core \nInternet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies\n\n(such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and \nComputer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n> I'm not sure what you mean by \"let's you and him fight\", but it is \n> important to remember that England was in control of Ireland\n> for 300 years ...\n\nExactly -- \"let's you and him fight\" is a\nway of dealing with troublesome populations\nby moving them next to one another, so they\ngive each other, and not the Man, grief.\n\nSo by my understanding (and, you all will\nunderstand, with tongue firmly in cheek):\n\nIreland: Irish? Uppity barbarians overly\n fond of \"risings\". Scots? More uppity\n barbarians overly fond of \"risings\".\n Why not plonk down a bunch of the latter\n next to the former and kill two birds\n with one stone?\n\nIsrael: Ex-ottomans? Uppity barbarians\n (didn't they help kick out the Ottomans?)\n Zionists? Uppity sorts who aren't happy\n with perfectly good land in Uganda. Why\n not plonk down a bunch of the latter next\n to the former and kill two birds with one\n stone?\n\nbut not:\n\nIndia: in which the muslims and hindus were\n originally intermixed to some degree,\n but Partioned due to their own conflict,\n not due to English resettlement policy.\n\nCanada: in which the french and english were\n already established, and it was just the\n balance of power on the continent that\n determined events in the colonies. The\n Acadians got resettled, but they don't\n seem to have been that good for picking\n fights with their neighbors, so no one\n had them plonked down next door.\n\n-Dave\n\n this works best with a populace who,\ngiven \"one man, one vote\", immediately\ndeduce \"one less man, one less vote\" --\neh, Magnan?\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"This is my Netscape 7.0 Review.\n\no They finally got the email search speed back up to\n where it was in 4.7.x\no Setting up user mail accounts doesn't have that really\n odd, sometimes it lets me sometimes it doesn't problem that\n previous versions had.\no I still have to manually update all my address books by\n hand but at least it lets me import them as Netscape 4.x\n address books (there's not 6.x import as they just assume\n it works--which it doesn't)\no The mail filters are still broken and have the same problem that\n I've tried to report since 4.0.2 where you can't store a mail\n filter of the type: Age in days, is greater than, 21 (or some number)\n Gawd I'd really wish they'd fix that freakin' bug, it's the single\n biggest annoyance that I have with Netscape as it's one of the\n most effective anti-spam tools that I have.\no Webex doesn't support Netscape 7.0 and the plugin doesn't\n work which causes problems when you want to use Webex to\n work on something with someone remotely.\n\nI've given up trying to report bugs and any changes to the\nsource I send always get lost.\n\nGreg\n\n\n-- \nGregory Alan Bolcer, CTO \| work: +1.949.833.2800\ngbolcer at endeavors.com \| http://endeavors.com\nEndeavors Technology, Inc.\| cell: +1.714.928.5476\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>\n> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700\n>\n> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500\n> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030550301.a24bc5@DeepEddy.Com>\n> Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n> \n> \| Interesting...I don't think this was my bug.\n> \| It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message \"-\".\n> \n> Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense\n> in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came\n> from the sequence code...\n> \n> Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status\n> line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it\n> should keep on doing (the \"red\" part isn't important obviously..)\n\nTell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll see what \nI can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent).\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200, Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> said:\n\n> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 \n> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:\n> \n> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec\n> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec\n\nI'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick \"just pound on 'next' and watch the\nwall clock\" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in under 5 seconds,\nso it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a really piggy CPU spike\n(100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. Of course, it seems to be\nrelated to number-of-folders:\n\n[~] wc Mail/.folders\n 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders\n\nIt's particularly annoying because things just hose-and-hang for 10 seconds, so\nwhen it hits, you have a long latency before what you're doing actually\nhappens...\n\n14:08:54 Background_DoPeriodic flist\n14:08:54 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0\n14:08:54 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0\n14:08:56 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/exmh/.mh_sequences\n14:08:56 exmh has 1 msgs in unseen\n14:08:56 1 unseen message in 1 folder\n14:08:56 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup}\n14:08:56 {Setting flag glyph to iconup}\n14:08:56 {Set flag state to up}\n14:08:58 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/list-spams/.mh_sequences\n14:08:58 list-spams has 1 msgs in unseen\n14:08:58 2 unseen messages in 2 folders\n14:08:58 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup}\n14:09:02 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/trash/.mh_sequences\n14:09:02 trash has 2 msgs in pseq\n14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found\n14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found\n14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found\n14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found\n14:09:03 {pseq: 7506-7508 => 7506}\n14:09:03 Writing /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/.mh_sequences\n14:09:03 xemacs has 1 msgs in pseq\n14:09:03 Flist_Done\n\nAnd it takes a hit even if there's no new mail:\n\n14:11:03 Background_DoPeriodic flist\n14:11:03 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0\n14:11:03 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0\n14:11:12 Flist_Done\n14:11:12 Flist_FindSeqs end {9018315 microseconds per iteration}\n\nI'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is\ngoing, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about\na brown-paper-bag bug... ;)\n-- \n\t\t\t\tValdis Kletnieks\n\t\t\t\tComputer Systems Senior Engineer\n\t\t\t\tVirginia Tech\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>\n> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200\n>\n> Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in \n> Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference \n> between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use \n> the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the \n> problem.\n\nAssuming it's my fault (which it probably is since nobody else has really been \nin there), it's most likely related to the number of sequences in a folder. \nI'd guess that something is either being called that shouldn't be or is being \ncalled more times than it should be.\n\n> Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity?\n\nNot that I'm aware of. If you look in the code, there are various places \nwhere the time function is called in order to see how long it took to do \nthings. You'll probably want to borrow that technique.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\n>>>Chris Garrigues said:\n\n > Done. I also eliminated the msgs variable on the theory that simpler is\n > \n > better (I spent a lot of time hacking out the underbrush in exmh while \n > working on the sequences window).\n\nJust a big thank you to Chris for being willing to dive in and get\nvery messy. The sequence management code is some of the very oldest\nin exmh, and surely suffered as features were added over several years.\nWhen this stabilizes, it will be a great excuse for a 2.6 release.\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700\n From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n Message-ID: <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>\n\n \| If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then\n \| we could add\n[...]\n \| to the SelectTypein procedure.\n\nYes, I looked at \"fixing\" it there, but that code is really quite\ngeneral, with almost no understanding of what anything means, so I\ndidn't think that corrupting it with knowlwedge of the semantics of\nwhat it is fetching would really be the best thing to do.\n\nI ran out of time last night while looking for a better place for\na similar check (I would have gone directly to the regexp - I'm not\nthat up to date with all the latest tcl changes...) and I'm not sure\nI will have time today, but I will keep looking.\n\nkre\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nXviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a\ncompany looking to put out hardware to playback, amongst other things,\ndivx files. Problem is Sigma is using XviDs gpled code in ways not very\ngpl. The results....XviD stops work on thier code and ask the users to\nput preasure on Sigma to honor the GPL.\n\nSome notes from other places....\n\n>>From Doom9 [3]\n\"XviD development has been stopped! The Sigma Designs REALMagic MPEG-4\nVideo Codec contains wide portions of code taken from the XviD project.\nSoon after the initial release of the REALMagic codec the XviD developers\nhave contacted Sigma and informed them about the GPL violation (for those\nwho don't know, XviD is distributed under the GNU Public License - GPL -\nwhich demands that if you modify a GPL program you have to release it\nunder the GPL, which in this case means that the source code of the Sigma\ncodec must be freely available). Sigma promised to replace the stolen\ncode, but the new version of the codec which was released this month only\ndisguises the stolen code, it was not actually removed. Sigma was once\nagain contacted and asked to remove the offending code but until today\nnothing has happened. Therefore the XviD team is now turning to the public\nin the hope to receive wide public support in their efforts to convince\nSigma Designs to respect the terms of the GPL. And until the matter has\nbeen resolved XviD development will not continue.\n\nThat being said I hope all the forum members who saw their threads about\nthe Sigma Codecs being closed will understand our motivation now.\nInternally we already knew what was going on but since the XviD authors\nfirst wanted to try and resolve this internally we respected their wishes\nand kept quiet about the matter at hand.\n\n[Update] Sigma has issued a press release announcing the availability of\nthe source code of their MPEG-4 codec and it's already up for download.\nHowever, not a word was lost about the XviD issue and the press release\nmakes one think that the Sigma codec was entirely developed by Sigma so we\nmight be hearing more about this.\n\n[Update] I found a GPL notice in some of the source code files, but it\nalso looks like Sigma placed their own copyright lines there and XviD\ndoesn't get any credit in the source either. The GPL notice also collides\nwith Sigma's Software Licensing Agreement that you have to sign before\ndownloading codec or source. On on the same issue DivXNetworks said they'd\nfully support XviD in this issue and apparently DXn's relationship with\nSigma didn't really work out either, as Sigma's Xcard is not as DivX\ncompatible as it was advertised.\n\n[Update]First an update on the XviD situation. The release of the Sigma\nsource code does not mean it's all over, it's far from being over. The\nlicense agreement which you have to agree to before you can download, and\ninstall the codec is not compatible with the GPL. Furthermore, it can now\nclearly be seen (download the source code and have a look for yourself)\nthat the Sigma codec is pretty much a copy of the XviD codec, but all the\ncopyright notices of the original developers have been removed and\nreplaced. This does not only violate the GPL but copyright laws - you\ncan't just take a program, change a few lines and change the copyright\nstatements, you only have copyright protection for the parts you wrote on\nyour own. And related to this the Sigma codec also contains code taken\nfrom the OpenDivX project, the files were outfitted with 2 different\ncopyright notices which is quite funny.\"\n\n\n\n[1] http://www.xvid.org/\n[2] http://www.sigmadesigns.com\n[3] http://www.doom9.org/\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n>>>Robert Elz said:\n > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500\n > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Co\nm>\n > Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>\n > \n > \n > \| so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,\n > \n > Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...\n > \n > # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist\n > foreach m $rseq {\n > if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {\n > Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found\n > set ix [lsearch $seq $m]\n > set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]\n > } else {\n > # Real hack\n\nAt least I'm up-front about my hacks :-)\n\n > break\n > }\n > }\n > \n > which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch\n > of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the\n > first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any\n > of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,\n > and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the\n > sequences it is looking at, all the time...\n\nThat was my thinking. My recollection about the first message being valid\nis that the ftoc code wants to find that message to start its highlighting,\nfor example, or you are selecting a message to display.\n\n > It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current\n > folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the\n > directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...\n\nglob -nocomplain $mhProfile(path)/$folder *\nwill return an unsorted list of the directory's contents.\nBut the thought of keeping an in memory list of valid messages is not fun.\nExmh already maintains in-core lists of messages in sequences, which is\nalready pretty tricky\n\n > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the\n > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.\n\nIn some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time,\nbut the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to\ncheck their date stamp, you could just read them again. Also, now that\nwe checkpoint message state on every message view, that file will change\nevery time. In the old days exmh used to cache a bunch of state about\nthe folder.\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> Hi,\n> \n> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: \n> \n> [...]\n> > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS\n> > gives\n> > \n> > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A\n> > Can't check signature: public key not found\n> > \n> > So, something else is missing.\n> \n> Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).\n> \n> Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's\n> signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from\n> which you know you have the public key.\n> \n> \n> \n\nAh, sorry for not making that clearer.\nBut no.\nPreviously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point while\nit went out to get the public key from a keyserver.\nNow, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.\n\nIts as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there\nmust be something else that I am missing...\n\n\n-- \n Reg.Clemens\n reg@dwf.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under\nHacking Support preferences and look for clues there.\n\n>>>Reg Clemens said:\n > > Hi,\n > > \n > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote: \n > > \n > > [...]\n > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS\n > > > gives\n > > > \n > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD\n F997A\n > > > Can't check signature: public key not found\n > > > \n > > > So, something else is missing.\n > > \n > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).\n > > \n > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's\n > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from\n > > which you know you have the public key.\n > > \n > > \n > > \n > \n > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.\n > But no.\n > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi\n le\n > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.\n > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.\n > \n > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there\n > must be something else that I am missing...\n > \n > \n > -- \n > Reg.Clemens\n > reg@dwf.com\n > \n > \n > \n > \n > _______________________________________________\n > Exmh-users mailing list\n > Exmh-users@redhat.com\n > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation: I like to \nsort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from most recent to oldest, \nsince I find this direction most efficient (I guess because it helps me \nrecognize the significance of individual, old messages). But this adds messages \nto my other folders in the wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all \nthe folders I've changed.\n\n--\nrick\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nOn Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:05:55 PDT,\n\tRick Baartman <baartman@lin12.triumf.ca> wrote:\n\n> Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation:\n> I like to sort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from\n> most recent to oldest, since I find this direction most efficient (I\n> guess because it helps me recognize the significance of individual,\n> old messages). But this adds messages to my other folders in the\n> wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all the folders I've\n> changed.\n\nI don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to\nother folders? What do you use to sort?\n\nTom\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> I am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry\n> standards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix,\n> and I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow\n> link, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad\n> compared with modern mailers.\n\nThese are some good comments and I'd like to share an opinion here. (Is that permitted? :)\n\nI started using linux about 8 or 9 years ago in rebellion against what the university was doing with Winder$. I just couldn't get good support and was using a lot of unix-based tools (ported to Winder$) anyway. So, I jumped ship and became my own sysadm.\n\nWhat I got was the easy ability to use a shell (now ssh) to connect to my office box from just about anywhere and use either exmh or nmh (from the command line). I can do email for the office fairly easily.\n\nI haven't seen any other tools that let me do that yet. But, I have to admit, that some of the web-based mail software is getting pretty close. Quoting and such is still primitive, but they're moving forward.\n\n-=d\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, \"Rick\" == Rick Baartman wrote:\n\n Rick> This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each\n Rick> folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this?\n\nNope. Regenerate the cache in the script\n\n\tfor f in `folders -fast -r`\n\tdo\n\t\techo sorting $f ...\n\t\tsortm +$f\n\t\tscan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache\n\tdone\n\n--Hal\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"from http://www.arstechnica.com/\n\n\"There has mostly been talk thus far and little action, but the Department\nof Justice says it may be ready to file criminal lawsuits against\nindividuals [1] who distribute or receive unauthorized copyrighted\nmaterial over the Internet. Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Malcolm believes\nthat \"criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to\npreserve the viability of America's content industries.\" Malcolm also\nbelieves that people who trade copyrighted material think they are\nparticipating in a legal activity. I certainly think people who download\ncopyrighted works understand that such distribution--barring provisions\nsuch as fair use--is not authorized, and it is not surprising to see\nbusinesses continue to look for means to discourage distribution of\ncopyrighted works.\n\n\n\"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful...I think\nthey would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal\nprosecution,\" said [RIAA President Cary] Sherman, who was on the same\nconference panel.\n\nI'm not too confident that lawsuits would have the effect Sherman is\nhoping for. Although infrequent, there have already been civil suits or\nwarnings issued to private individuals, and they have served as minor\ndeterrents to the file-sharing community at large. Criminal lawsuits\ncarrying with them the possibility of prison sentences may generate\nfurther animosity against groups such as the RIAA and may be difficult to\ninitiate because of the \"schooling\" effect of millions of systems\nparticipating in file sharing. Only servers would seem to stand out from\nthe crowd.\n\nThe article cites the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act [2], which defines\nillegal activity and maximum penalties for copyright infringement:\n\n\nCriminal infringement: Any person who infringes a copyright willfully for\npurposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or by the\nreproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any\n180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more\ncopyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000....\nFor purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution\nof a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish\nwillful infringement.\n...\nThe term \"financial gain\" includes receipt, or expectation of receipt, of\nanything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works.\n\n\nTherefore, receipt of a work of value would be defined as \"financial gain\"\neven if no money is involved. The NET Act excerpt does not clarify how the\nvalue of a work is determined; an album or movie could be worth only $15\nto millions of dollars depending on whether the value is assessed from the\nperspective of the consumer or copyright holder.\n\nThe statute of limitations:\n\n\n507. Limitations on actions\n\n(a) Criminal Proceedings.--No criminal proceeding shall be maintained\nunder the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within five\nyears after the cause of action arose.\n\n(b) Civil Actions.--No civil action shall be maintained under the\nprovisions of this title unless it is commenced within three years after\nthe claim accrued.\n\nThe penalties are too extensive to list here, but they can be found in\nSection 2319: Criminal infringement of a copyright. In general, first-time\ncriminal offenses will carry a maximum prison sentence of 1 year.\n\nI'm still not sure where the DOJ would start in choosing people to\nprosecute because of the aforementioned \"schooling\" effect, but my guess\nwould be that, just like speeding, primarily the most prominent\nindividuals who operate large servers or transfer the most data will be\ntargeted in order to discourage more recreational file sharers. Thanks to\nMonaLisaOverdrive for pointing out this story.\n\"\n\n[1] http://news.com.com/2100-1023-954591.html?tag=fd_top\n[2] http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nOn Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:32 BST,\n\tJames Gibbon <james.gibbon@virgin.net> wrote:\n\n> \n> Tom Reingold wrote:\n>\n> > Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?\n> > \n> \n> It has been described as \"the technological equivalent of\n> soliciting blood transfusions from random strangers in the\n> street\". In short - it's a virus magnet.\n\nOh, that. Well, you're right.\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Thanks Brent: now it's clearer (to me) what's needed. I've used the global\nsort and J C Lawrence's re-scan, but there is still a vulnerability there:\nIf I have an instance of exmh running, the folder I'm visiting will have\nits new, correct .xmhcache overwritten with an incorrect one when I switch\nfolders. I can cron the sort and re-scan process, but I should kill running\nexmh's first.\n\nBest would be to have a button for \"Global sort and update all scan caches\"\nin the exmh More... menu\n\n--\nrick\n\n>>>>> \"Brent\" == Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>\n>>>>> wrote the following on Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:48 -0700\n\n Brent> There is an \"Update all scan caches\" menu entry that rescans your\n Brent> folders similar to the short scripts folks have shared around. It\n Brent> runs in the background.\n\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nThe way to debug something like this is to turn on the log (Preferences \n-> Hacking Support -> Debug log enabled) and track the gpg commands \nbeing issued and the responses.\n\nFWIW, using exmh 2.5 and gpg 1.0.7 I do not have problems sending \nencrypted messages to myself. When I select the message, an xterm \nwindow pops up asking for the passphrase. I don't recall exmh ever \nasking me for the passphrase from the tty that started exmh nor from a \ndialog box. (But then again, I'm not a heavy gpg user).\n\nKevin\n\nIn message <200209111917.PAA02912@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes:\n> Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know\n> much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some\n> talk about \"issues\" with the latest version of gpg.\n> \n> >>>Hacksaw said:\n> > version 2.5 08/15/2002\n> > Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31\n> > EDT 2001 i686 unknown\n> > Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3\n> > \n> > It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's something \n> > that manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you might help me track\n> > it down.\n> > \n> > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase, \n> > it first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It \n> > tells me my passphrase is incorrect every time, at which point exmh \n> > offers me the line in the message about decrypting. I click the line \n> > and it offers me the dialog box, and tells me the passphrase is correct,\n> > and shows me the decrypted message.\n> > \n> > Any ideas on that?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:17:33 PDT, Brent Welch said:\n\n> >>>Hacksaw said:\n\n> > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase, \n> it\n> > first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It tells \n>\nHmm.. I've seen the opposite issue - if I go to SEND a signed message,\nsometimes Exmh will put up the dialog box, but fail to set keyboard focus\nthere, so no passphrase can be entered. Of course, hitting 'return' doesnt\nwork so you need to click the 'OK' box, at which point it finds that the\npassphrase that wasn't entered doesn't work, and asks again, this time with\nproper focus set.\n\nI suspect some variable/codepath is getting hosed for the focus, or possibly\nsome borkedness with --no-tty and/or --status-fd flags to gnupg.\n\n/Valdis\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"exmh has a funky cut/paste model that is essentially all my fault.\nThe middle click sets the insert point. If you hate that, go to the\nBindings... Simple Edit preferences window and de-select\n\"Paste Sets Insert\". \n\n>>>George Michaelson said:\n > \n > I am a (tv)twm user. when I snarf text into my mouse cut buffer, and then\n > attempt to inject it into the exmh input windows for comp/repl, the \n'point'\n > is often an apparently random place in the text pane, not where I think I\n > have current flashing cursor. \n > \n > I usually wipe out any of To:/Subject:/<random body> with the text. Its\n > often not even beginning of line denoted, ie its an unexplicable number\n > of char spaces in to the text where it inserts, \n > \n > What am I doing wrong in either X, WM, shell, EXMH which is causing this?\n\n--\nBrent Welch\nSoftware Architect, Panasas Inc\nPioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network\nwww.panasas.com\nwelch@panasas.com\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, \"Tony\" == Tony Nugent wrote:\n\n Tony> (In essence: is there a way to mark a destination folder\n Tony> for a message link or move without actually doing a move\n Tony> or link, I couldn't see anything obvious).\n\n1) Right click on the folder label in the folder list\n\n2) In the main window, the \"+\" key puts you into a \"change \n folder\" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh),\n hit a second + and you go to \"set a target\" mode. Type a few\n characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete.\n\n--Hal\n\nHow's spring shaping up \"down under\"?\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n2) In the main window, the \"+\" key puts you into a \"change \n folder\" mode (the first time you use it after starting exmh),\n hit a second + and you go to \"set a target\" mode. Type a few\n characters of the folder name and hit space for autocomplete.\n\nI should have finished this off.\n\n3) Keep hitting space to loop thru all the folders that match \n the characters you typed. Hit return to actually select the\n folder shown in the message area.\n\nI don't use this for navigating into nested folders as the only \nthing I have nested is my archives. Someone else will have to \ntell you how to do that if there are any tricks to it.\n\n--Hal\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I've never understood the mouse buffer operation with exmh either. Here's the \nbehaviour I have. I have exmh and XEmacs windows up, and a terminal window. (I \nalso have gnome1.4 running and enlightenment as wm.) I select text in the exmh \nwindow and while it is highlighted, I can paste into anything else. If I select \nit and then click so the highlighting is off, then what I paste is not the \nrecently-selected text in exmh, but an old selection. If I select in XEmacs and \nleave it highlighted, I can paste it into exmh sedit window; but if it is no \nlonger highlighted, what I paste is an old selection. I can live with this \nbehaviour except for one additional thing. If nothing is highlighted, then what \nI paste into exmh is different from what I paste into other windows. To be more \nspecific, here's what gets pasted if nothing is highlighted:\n\nApplication What gets pasted\n\nXEmacs whatever was last selected unless it was last selected in exmh\nxterm same as XEmacs\nAbiWord nothing\nNedit nothing\nsedit Whatever was last highlighted in sedit and overwritten\n\nThe last needs some amplification. If I highlight something in sedit, then \nobviously that's what gets pasted. If the highlighting is off, then what gets \npasted is NOT what was last highlighted in sedit, but what was last highlighted \nand typed over (I have \"Type Kills SEL\" on.).\n\nIt seems that exmh and sedit are the oddballs here. Very often when I try to \npaste something in sedit I end up muttering WTF??\n\n--\nrick\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, \"Wendy\" == Wendy P. Roberts wrote:\n\n Wendy> I've been trying to set a button called which\n Wendy> automatically forwards mail using a '-form mycomps'\n Wendy> without going through the editor, but so far haven't got\n Wendy> the right recipe.\n\nI have one that uses dist to send stuff from my work mail to my \nhome mail. The binding looks like this:\n\nset {bindings(key,HD_Dist_Silently -form distcomps.to-me)} <Meta-dollar>\n\nThe \"HD_Dist_Silently\" is a hacked up version of the proc that \ndoes dist in exmh and is pasted in below. It's getting old and \nprobably should be \"resynced\" with the current code. But it \nstill works (on a relatively recent CVS copy of exmh)\n\nIt's also possible that there's an easier way but I hacked this \ntogether quickly a year or more ago and when it worked I moved \non to other tasks.\n\n--Hal\n\nproc HD_Dist_Silently { args } {\n\n global exmh msg\n set exmh(ctype) {dist}\n if {[string length $args] == 0} {\n\tset args Mh_DistSetup\n }\n\n if [MsgOk $msg(id) m] {\n\tif {[string compare [info command $args] $args] == 0} {\n\t # Old interface with hook procedure\n\t if [catch {$args $exmh(folder) $m} err] { ;# Setup draft msg\n\t\tExmh_Status \"${args}: $err\" purple\n\t\treturn\n\t }\n\t} else {\n\t if [catch {\n\t\tExmh_Status \"dist +$exmh(folder) $m\"\n\t\teval {MhExec dist +$exmh(folder) $m} -nowhatnowproc $args\n\t\tMhAnnoSetup $exmh(folder) $m dist\n\t } err] {\n\t\tExmh_Status \"dist: $err\" purple\n\t\treturn\n\t }\n\t}\n Edit_Done send\t\t\t\t;# Just send it\n }\n}\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Is there any way to customise the folder table of contents for\nspecific folders?\n\nI know it is possible to do per-folder customisation with components\nand replcomps for message templates, but what about -form format\nfiles for scan?\n\nCheers\nTony\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["I've been working on salary related things the past few days, but I'm starting \nto think about exmh again.\n\nThanks to Robert for finding that s/$L/$lineno/ bug.\n\nSo, has anybody else been looking at the performance issues that we were \ntalking about before I left, or should I dig right in?\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"Halloechen!\n\nOn Dienstag, 27. August 2002 05:41 schrieben Sie:\n> [Question about require tag]\n\nOops, sorry. Now I found out that there is a noewsgroup ...\n:-)\n\nTschoe,\nTorsten.\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 00:02, Ville Skyttä wrote:\n\n> > Thanks a lot ! The RPMs seem to be fine, they worked for me out of\n> > the box (on vanilla Valhalla w/latest errata).\n> \n> ...except that I don't see an init script in the RPMs, a sample one\n> designed for RH is supposed to be in \"utils/alsasound\". Could you take\n> a look if it can be included?\n\nOk, some more nits: alsa-xmms doesn't work if I don't have\nalsa-lib-devel installed, but xmms dies on startup telling me:\n\n Cannot load alsa library: libasound.so: cannot open shared object\n file: No such file or directory\n\nlibasound.so is part of alsa-lib-devel... if I install it, the ALSA XMMS\noutput plugins works fine.\n\nI can't install the xine stuff, because xine-libs needs libGLcore.so.1,\nwhich I can't find anywhere (NVidia stuff? I have Radeon 7500...)\n\n-- \n\\/ille Skyttä\nville.skytta at iki.fi\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Thanks for this, I'm going to give them another try. One question: How\ndo I switch between digital out and analog out with ALSA? With\nemu10k1-tools it's easy enough (emu-config -d for digital, emu-config -a\nfor analog) Is there a similar method with ALSA?\n\nLance\n\nOn Wed, 2002-08-28 at 12:00, Matthias Saou wrote:\n> Followup to the story :\n> \n> I've now made a sub-package of alsa-driver called \"alsa-kernel\" which\n> contains only the kernel modules, and alsa-driver contains everything else\n> from the original package (device entries, include files and docs).\n> \n> This should allow installation of a single \"alsa-driver\" package and\n> multiple \"alsa-kernel\" if you have more than one kernel installed. Right\n> now the dependencies make it mandatory to have kernels installed through\n> rpm... people who install from source can still install the ALSA modules\n> from the source though ;-)\n> \n> The devices are there now, thank Gordon for reporting the problem (and as I\n> said, you were the only one). Any further comments are very welcome!\n> \n> Download : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/\n> New spec : http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec\n> \n> If you aren't running kernel-2.4.18-10 for i686, simply --rebuild the\n> alsa-driver source rpm and you'll get a package for your running kernel.\n> \n> Matthias\n> \n> -- \n> Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/\n> Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) running Linux kernel 2.4.18-10\n> Load : 0.08 0.42 0.84, AC on-line, battery charging: 100% (6:36)\n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> RPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\n> http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n-- \n:\n####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]###########################\n\nSub : Finding out files larger than given size LOST #324\n\nTo find out all files in a dir over a given size, try:\nfind /path/to/dir_of_file -type f -size +Nk\n[Where N is a number like 1024 for 1mb, and multiples thereof] \n\n####[Discussions on LIH : 04 Jul 2002]########################\n:\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Once upon a time, Daniel wrote :\n\n> > And yes, I accept patches/comments/suggestions about all those spec\n> > files!\n> \n> Sure thing :)\n\nCool :-)\n\n> I've added to the spec some flags to remove OSS and ISA-PNP support at\n> build time if one wishes to, so is's possible to do a\n> \n> \trpmbuild --recompile <rpm> --without oss --without isapnp\n\nOK, I'll add this.\n\n> Also, having the kernel compiled by me, I have no kernel-source package\n> installed. I've added a flag \"kernsrc\", that also can be used\n> --without, to remove the dependency for kernel-source at build time. It\n> would be nice to check the correct kernel include files actually exist\n> (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/*.h), though; however, I'm\n> a beginner in RPM building -- is it possible to BuildRequire for a file\n> not provided by a package at all? I've googled a bit, and found no way\n> to do that.\n\nRequiring a file that isn't part of an rpm is not possible, no, except\nmaybe by stopping the build process if it isn't found... but that's errr...\nugly!\nAnd I really think that for people who installed a kernel from sources, the\neasiest is to install the alsa kernel drivers from source too...\n\n> I was also considering adding some sort of flag for the --with-cards\n> option in alsa's ./configure, but don't know how to do that. Only found\n> out about --without from your first alsa-driver.spec, and existing RPM\n> docs don't help much.\n\nThis would be a tricky one since to use the \"--with <name>\" feature of\nrpmbuild, I think you'd need to add individual handling of each and every\ncard :-/\n\n> Oh, and one more thing :). At first I've installed the first version of\n> alsa-driver for 2.4.18-10, although I don't have that kernel, to supply\n> the dependency for the rest of the alsa rpm's, and compiled the modules\n> from source. It created the /dev files and all.\n\nThat's what the \"alsa-driver\" is there for, create all the base files\nexcluding the kernel drivers. What I would suggest for dependency reasons\nit to install an \"alsa-kernel\" for the original kernel (you've kept it,\nright? ;-)) and install ALSA modules from source for custom kernels built\nfrom source.\n\n> Then wanted to make my own rpm for 2.4.19, so now I'm trying to rpmbuild\n> the alsa-kernel package. Removed all alsa rpms, and tried my spec:\n> \n> rpmbuild --ba alsa-driver.spec.mine --without oss --without isapnp\n> --without kernsrc\n> \n> But I get this:\n> \n> ==[long successful compile snipped]=====================================\n> RPM build errors:\n> File listed twice: /dev/adsp\n> File listed twice: /dev/amidi\n> Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:\n> /etc/makedev.d/00macros\n> /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound\n> ========================================================================\n> \n> Oh, and I think I've forgot to mention, I'm running beta-null :).\n\nIndeed : The rpm 4.1 snapshot in (null) has a few new features among which\nhaving the build fail when files are present in the build root but not\nlisted in the %files section. I should remove them manually as part of the\nbuild process... or maybe the new \"%exclude /path/to/file\" in the %files\nsection would do, but I don't know how older versions of rpm would handle\nit. On my (null) build system, I've simply set the variable :\n%_unpackaged_files_terminate_build 0\n\nMatthias\n\n-- \nMatthias Saou World Trade Center\n------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta\nSystem and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain\nElectronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I wish I could answer your question but my laptop does not have the digital stuff\nhooked up :( so I so not know about it. I have an excellent ESS Maestro3 which OSS\nsupports pretty lame so I was forced to learn about ALSA.\n\nI have used these commands to explore ALSA and my chip:\n\narecord -l (list devices)\narecord -L (list PCM decices)\n\nI get some output like this:\n\n> arecord -l\ncard 0: MAESTRO3 [ESS Allegro PCI], device 0: Allegro [Allegro]\n Subdevices: 1/1\n Subdevice #0: subdevice #0\n\n> arecord -L\nPCM list:\n (SNIP - craploads of output)\n\nI noticed that the output from this commands kind of maps to what the alsamixer or\ngamix have.\n\nFor what it is worth, here is what I have in modules.conf for my sound stuff:\n\n> ## ALSA portion\n> alias char-major-116 snd\n> ## OSS/Free portion\n> alias char-major-14 soundcore\n>\n> ## ALSA portion\n> alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3\n> ## OSS/Free portion\n> alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0\n>\n> ## OSS/Free portion - card #1\n> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss\n> # BAD alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss\n> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss\n> # BAD alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss\n> alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss\n> #\n> ## ALSA Options (optional)\n> options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1 snd_device_mode=0666\n> options snd-maestro3 snd_index=0 snd_id=MAESTRO3 snd_amp_gpio=8\n> #\n> ## OSS Options (optional)\n> alias snd-card-1 off\n> alias snd-card-2 off\n> alias snd-card-3 off\n> alias sound-slot-1 off\n> alias sound-service-1-0 off\n>\n> ## Preserve Mixer Settings\n> #post-install /usr/sbin/alsactl restore MAESTRO3\n> #pre-remove /usr/sbin/alsactl store MAESTRO3\n> post-install /usr/sbin/alsactl restore\n> pre-remove /usr/sbin/alsactl store\n\nHope that helps, good luck.\n\n\nLance (lance_tt@bellsouth.net) wrote*:\n>\n>Hello,\n>\n>Thanks for these rpms, I removed the binary built from source (.tar.gz)\n>and installed your SRPM of gamix. One quick question, is there a way to\n>switch between digital out and analog out with the ALSA driver and\n>utilities, or, for that matter, with gamix? I know with the OSS drivers\n>I was using it was as simple as 'emu-config -d for digital and\n>emu-config -a for analog, with the emu-tools package for SBLive! I\n>noticed there is SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack in alsamixer but\n>haven't figured out the key to use, if this is the right control in\n>mixer. Also, I tried to expand gamix to display all possible controls\n>but it defaults back to 'Wave' and 'Music' With LFE, Center, Surround\n>and Playback under Wave (this is how I control output of front and rear\n>speakers for digital out...'Surround' and 'Playback') Under 'Music'\n>there are two controls but unresponsive. I have a tuner and cassette\n>deck hooked up to an audio/video switch that goes into 'Line In' on the\n>soundcard. Again, with the OSS drivers, it was as simple as emu-config\n>-d and emu-config -a. Digital out for anything coming from the\n>computer, analog out for the tuner and cassette deck. I don't know if\n>this is necessary to switch inbetween to get 'Line In' to work or not,\n>but an expansion of gamix would help, where I could see all the\n>controls....\n>\n>Any help would be greatly appreciated and thanks again for the gamix\n>rpms.\n>\n>Kind Regards,\n>\n>Lance\n>--\n>:\n>####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]###########################\n>\n>Sub : Command line shortcuts (clear) LOST #310\n>\n>Tired of typing in \"clear\" every time you want the screen to\n>be cleared ? Press [Ctrl-L] ... This works for most shells,\n>(except for ash, bsh and ksh)\n>\n>####<rtorvi@vsnl.net>#########################################\n>:\n>\n\n--\nThat's \"angle\" as in geometry.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Back when I had regular RH7.3 there was nothing better than \"apt-get upgrade\". But\nnow I'm running (null) beta and I have these questions:\n\nwhich version of \"apt\" can I use, the RH7.3 version or the \"rawhide\" version?\n\nIs there a way to use apt to update (null) with the rpms available for (null)\nthrough up2date, since I prefer apt to that?\n\nIf I can use apt, can I use it to get updates from these 3 different places:\n1. the (null) up2date Redhat upgrades\n2. the (null) files at Freshrpms.net\n3. the regular RH7.3 files from freshrpms.net\n\nAm I asking for too much simplicity in this complicated world?\n\n--\nThat's \"angle\" as in geometry.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:14:17PM +0100, Paul Jakma mentioned:\n> On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, kevin lyda wrote:\n> \n> > gnu date is limited by time_t. but i thought time_t expired in 2037?\n> > this seems to show it expiring in 2038:\n> \n> (2^31-1)/3600/24/365+1970\n> 2038\n> \n> course, on UltraSparc, x86-64, IA64, alpha, etc:\n> \n> (2^63-1)/3600/24/365+1970\n> 292471210647\n> \n> so we should be safe enough.\n\n May I assume that x86-64 will be able to use a 64bit time_t too? \n\nKate\n\n\n-- \nIrish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.\nList maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Lance wrote:\n\n>Make sure you rebuild as root and you're in the directory that you\n>downloaded the file. Also it might complain of a few dependencies but\n>you can get these at freshrpms.net, except for gcc3, which you can find\n>on your Red Hat cd, Red Hat ftp, or rpmfind.net.\n>\n>After you rebuild the source rpm it should install a binary rpm in\n>/usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386. With all dependencies met, install mplayer\n>with 'rpm -ivh mplayer-20020106-fr1.rpm' and you should be good to go.\n>\n>One last thing, you will need the win32 codecs, I found them on google,\n>create a directory /usr/lib/win32 and place the codecs in there.\n>\n>Good Luck!\n>\n>Lance\n>\n I dl'd gcc3 and libgcc3, but I still get the same error message when I \ntry rpm --rebuild or recompile. I do this as root, I dl'd as root also.\n\nthanks for the help, any more idea what's going on?\n\n>\n>>\n>>\n>> I tried to just rpm --rebuild mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm, \n>>then I get ; mplayer-20020106-fr1.src.rpm: No such file or directory.\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>_______________________________________________\n>RPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\n>http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n>\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 03:35:41PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote:\n> Once upon a time, Harri wrote :\n> \n> > Title page has a login screen and I can't seem to get the apt indexes\n> > anymore. Is it just me or is something going on there?\n> \n> You can't get the file index from here either?\n> http://apt.nixia.no/apt/files/\n\nThe requested URL /apt/files/ was not found on this server.\n\n> During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with that\n> site from time to time, but for me right now it's working.\n\nMaybe it's temporary :-/\n\n-- \nWin a live rat for your mother-in-law!\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"Once upon a time, Harri wrote :\n\n> > You can't get the file index from here either?\n> > http://apt.nixia.no/apt/files/\n> \n> The requested URL /apt/files/ was not found on this server.\n\nVery strange then : It works fine from here, even shift-reloading and with\nno proxy whatsoever!\n\n> > During the past few days, I've experienced connection problems with\n> > that site from time to time, but for me right now it's working.\n> \n> Maybe it's temporary :-/\n\nIf you need another apt repository with Red Hat Linux 7.2 files, there are\na few others. See : http://freshrpms.net/apt/\n\nMatthias\n\n-- \nMatthias Saou World Trade Center\n------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta\nSystem and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain\nElectronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"oh ok, thanx alot!! i was puttin the entire rpm package name like\nphp-4.0.4pl1.i386.rpm\nthat's why it wasn't working.\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: rpm-zzzlist-admin@freshrpms.net\n[mailto:rpm-list-admin@freshrpms.net]On Behalf Of Matthias Saou (by way\nof Matthias Saou <matthias@egwn.net>)\nSent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:18 PM\nTo: rpm-zzzlist@freshrpms.net\nSubject: Re: Prob. w/ install/uninstall\n\n\nOnce upon a time, Brian wrote :\n\n> hey i have a problem:\n> i have a rpms that i have installed that i want to uninstall, i do it\n> like so:\n> rpm -e [rpm package]\n> and it gives the error: package not installed, so i install it like\n> so:\n> rpm -i [rpm package]\n> and it gives the error: package already installed, so i force it to\n> install like so:\n> rpm -i --force [rpm package]\n> this installs it and then i try to uninstall it again and it still\n> gives me the same error: package not installed.\n>\n> How can i get it to recognize that the package is indeed installed it,\n> and/or get it to unstall it?\n\nYou're a bit too vague on your \"[rpm package]\" here...\nMaybe this will help you :\n\n[root@python apg]# rpm -e apg\n[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm\nPreparing... ###########################################\n[100%] 1:apg\n########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e\napg[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm\nPreparing... ###########################################\n[100%] 1:apg\n########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e\napg-1.2.13-fr1[root@python apg]# rpm -ivh apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm\nPreparing... ###########################################\n[100%] 1:apg\n########################################### [100%][root@python apg]# rpm -e\napg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm error: package apg-1.2.13-fr1.i386.rpm is not\ninstalled[root@python apg]#\n\nYou can just put the name, of the name and version, and even the release,\nbut the entire filename will not work!\n\nMatthias\n\n--\nMatthias Saou World Trade Center\n------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta\nSystem and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain\nElectronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Once upon a time, Mark wrote :\n\n> Hiya, I always seem to get errors when I do an \"apt update\", is this a \n> problem on the repository itself, or on my end, or possibly a timeout in \n> the connection due to my connection being a crappy modem?\n> \n> [root@spawn root]# apt-get update\n> Hit http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.gnomehide\n> Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.os\n> Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.os\n> Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.updates\n> Bad header line\n> Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.updates\n> Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms\n> 400 Bad Request\n> Err http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms\n> Bad header line\n> Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386/base/srclist.freshrpms\n> Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 release.gnomehide\n> Ign http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386/base/mirrors\n> Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/i386 release.freshrpms\n[...]\n\nIt works for me (it should works with or without the \"en\" subdirectory).\nDoes it always give you the same error each time? Do you use an proxy\nserver?\n\n[root@python root]# apt-get update\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.os\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.updates\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates\nGet:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.os [1035kB]\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os\nGet:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.updates\n[331kB] Hit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/pkglist.freshrpms\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.freshrpms\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.os\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.os\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.updates\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.updates\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386/base/srclist.freshrpms\nHit http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/i386 release.freshrpms\nIgn http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors\nIgn http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors\nIgn http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/7.2/en/$(ARCH)/base/mirrors\nFetched 1366kB in 1m16s (17.9kB/s)\nProcessing File Dependencies... Done\nReading Package Lists... Done \nBuilding Dependency Tree... Done\nW: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated.\nW: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated.\nW: http://apt.freshrpms.net/ will not be authenticated.\n[root@python root]# \n\nMatthias\n\n-- \nMatthias Saou World Trade Center\n------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta\nSystem and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain\nElectronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:41:32PM +0200, Harri Haataja wrote:\n> I have a local one for the main and upgrades from somewhere plus my own\n> at $ORKPLACE.\n\nOlen ajatellut pystyttää itselleni lokaalin apt-varaston, kun Suomesta ei \ntunnu löytyvän julkista peiliä. Osaisitko avittaa hiukan asiassa, eli \nkuinka lähteä liikkeelle? Ensin kannattanee peilata varsinainen RH:n rpm:t \njostain, vaan millä softalla (rsync?) ja mistä (funet?) tuo kannattaa \ntehdä, ajatuksia?\n\n-- \nPeter\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:04:08PM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote:\n> I started wondering how does apt react when it finds a newer kernel in the \n> bunch of \"to be updated\" files?\n\nLook at /etc/apt/apt.conf. I think ^kernel$ matches the kernel packages\n(apart from those matched by the rest, smp, enterprise).\nI think it won't do anything about the kernels. Come to think of it, the\nabovementioned might have nothing to do with it.\n\nI explicitly use apt-get install kernel and then from the list pick a\nversion and then install kernel#2.4.foo-bar.\n\n> And has anyone ever tried to do a dist-upgrade, say from 7.1 to 7.2? \n> Should it work? If not, why?\n\nShould. Haven't tried with dist-upgrade but I have put 7.2 netboot\nmirror (ie, 7.2) into sources.list and run install step-by-step for IIRC\neverything. Worked ok. I think there'll be a few .rpmnew files worth\nchecking such as, especially, passwd and group.\nI think there was a group change. \"lock\" ?\n\n-- \nIt feels great to wake up and not know what day it is, doesn't it?\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Reza B'Far wrote:\n>This thread kind of surprises me... I started coding with C, then C++, and\n>moved on to Java... And, I think that:\n\nLooks like a case of \"MY experience is comprehensive, YOUR'S is\nanecdotal, THEY don't know what they're talking about\".\n\n\n>1. The people who pay the wages don't give a flyin' heck what programming\n>language you write things in... they just want it to work.\n\nIn my experience, they do care. It has to work certainly, and in\nparticular it has to work with what they've already got, and it has to\nwork on client's systems.\n\nMy limited experience of Java started a few years ago when support on\nLinux was so terrible that I ran away screaming and haven't come back yet.\n\nMicrosoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows.\nThey took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a\nservice pack. Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to\nrun C programs.\n\n\n>2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory\n>management over and over again.\n\nCan't say I spend any noticeable amount of time on memory management\nissues, apart from the fact that I frequently need > 4 GB.\n\n\n>It's about design patterns, architecture, high level stuff...\n\nIf your problem just requires application of a \"design pattern\" to solve,\nthen it's trivial anyway irrespective of language.\n\n\n>I am amazed by the amount of time wasted by people talking about low\n>level problems that have been solved 10 million times over and over\n>and over again...\n\nYou appear to be gratuitously asserting that C programmers waste time\non irrelevant low-level problems and Java programmers don't. Depends\nentirely on the programmer, not the language.\n\n\n>3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform...\n\nBuzzword.\n\n\n>a monolithic set of API's or a crap load of different API's slicing\n>and dicing the same problems 50 different ways?\n\nUnsupported assertion.\n\n\n>4. If you have a program of any type of high complexity written in C, you\n>can't possibly think that you could port it to different platforms within\n>the same magnitude of cost as Java....\n\nDunno. E.g., I ported a wee 15000-line C program to Darwin on PowerPC\nin a few minutes yesterday. Sure if it was badly designed it would be\n10 times the size and harder to port. If it depended on unavailable\nlibraries it would be much harder. Portable code is easy to port.\nAt least that is the case when then language you used is available on\nthe target platform: I also run on ARM systems with no proper Java.\n\n\n>5. Makes no sense for a scientific or a business project to depend on a\n>person... Java, IMHO, reduces the dependence of these entities on the\n>individual developer as it is much easier to reverse engineer Java as it is\n>to reverse engineer C (large applications).\n\nYou can pay a good programmer to solve your problem now, or else get\nsome kids to hack spaghetti Fortran in any language and then pay for\nmaintenance headaches ad infinitum.\n\n \n>6. Hardware is getting so fast that I'm not sure if the performance\n>difference between Java and C/C++ are relevant any more.\n\nWhoah!!! Performance matters to me every day. (Right now I'm taking\ntime out to write email while waiting for a job to run). Sure I could\nwait 5 years until everyone's PC is fast enough to generate random EC's\nin no time, when any twit will be able to program inefficient code\nthat is fast enough and the market will be overrun by competitors,\nor I can do it now when very few people can.\n\n \n>The end goal is the scientific or business problem to be solved.\n\nYes.\n\n\n>And for those problems, languages such as Java, SmallTalk, and others\n>allow you to think more high level than low level. Thinking of bits\n>and bytes takes too much gray matter away from the real important\n>problems....\n\nIt's true! I admit everything! Mea maxima culpa! Working in C makes\nme spend all day thinking base, rank thoughts about hard-core bitography!\nNot.\n\nActually I spend most of my time thinking in high-level mathematics.\n\n\n>Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the same problems\n>over and over again [...]\n\nDunno, and frankly I don't see the relevance to the issue at hand.\n\n\nI'm sure Java is fine for some stuff, as is C or whatever. Horses for\ncourses.\n\n\nBye,\n Rob.\n .-. .-.\n / \\ .-. .-. / \\\n / \\ / \\ .-. _ .-. / \\ / \\\n / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\\n / \\ / \\ / `-' `-' \\ / \\ / \\\n \\ / `-' `-' \\ /\n `-' `-'\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Two issues:\n\n--<snip>--\nSorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:\n openssh: Depends: openssl (= 0.9.5a) but 0.9.6b-8 is installed\n php-pgsql: Depends: postgresql but it is not installed\n Depends: libpq.so.2\nE: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.\n--</snip>--\n\n1. I have the following openssl packages installed:\n\n--<snip>--\nopenssl-perl-0.9.6b-8\nopenssl-0.9.6b-8\nopenssl095a-0.9.5a-11\nopenssl-devel-0.9.6b-8\n--</snip>--\n\nThe openssl095a package should provide the openssl-0.9.5a compatibility \nbut apt doesn't think so? \n\n2. I have postgresql installed from the source. So that's why I need \nphp-pgsql. Is there a way to tell apt about packages I don't want it to \ncomplain about?\n\n-- \nPeter\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 04:14:27PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote:\n> Strange... all my openssh packages don't explicitly requires a version of\n> openssl. What version of openssh do you have? Is it an official Red Hat\n> package? I suppose it isn't, and using Red Hat's rpms will solve your\n> problem.\n\nopenssh-3.0.2p1-1\n\nI think that is directly from openssh site. It's from the RH 6.2 that I \nupgraded to 7.2 (6.2 doesn't ship with openssh...). \n\nI probably should downgrade to the versoin RH provides except I can't do \nthat as I don't have physical access to that box and downgrading ssh \npackages over ssh doesn't sound like a bright idea...\n\n-- \nPeter\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 12:29:14AM +0200, Peter Peltonen wrote:\n> About apt.conf there are these lines:\n> --<snip>--\n> RPM \n> {\n> // Leave list empty to disable\n> AllowedDupPkgs {\"^kernel$\"; \"kernel-smp\"; \"kernel-enterprise\"; };\n> HoldPkgs {\"kernel-source\"; \"kernel-headers\"; };\n> }\n> --</snip>--\n> \n> How do I tell apt hold all kernel packages? Can I use syntax like \n> \"kernel\"; ? \n> \n> And I don't quite understand what the part \"^kernel$\"; means?\n\nYou could read about regular expressions.\n^kernel$ matches \"kernel\" and nothimg more.\nKerne, kernel-smp and kernel-enterprise are the kernel packages you\nmight be running in a RH system. Packages like kernel-headers,\nkernel-BOOT and kernel-doc aren't matched. If it just said \"kernel\", it\nwould match all* those packages.\n\n-- \n\"You were good with that recorder.\" (=nokkahuilu)\n\"Soitit hyvin sitä mankkaa.\"\n\t-- (Suomennos) Men Behaving Badly\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:39, Matthias Saou wrote:\n> Hi all,\n> \n> I'll be leaving this evening until next Monday, with no access to\n> whatsoever to a single computer until then, woohoo, real holidays! :-)\n\nI don't think I could take it. The network was down for an hour here and\nI was climbing the walls. :)\n\nEnjoy!\n\n-- \nChris Kloiber\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:39:07 +0200\nMatthias Saou <matthias@egwn.net> wrote:\n\n> Before going, I did repackage the latest hackedbox and lbreakout2 that\n> both came out today.\n> \n> Have fun! (I will!! ;-))\nfun here too, recompiled gnome 2.02rc2 today ;-)\n\nHave a nice and good time!\n\n-- \nregards\n Matthias\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:50, Matthias Saou wrote:\n\n> I think I'll use this \"--with <whatever>\" switch more and more where\n> possible.\n\nNifty, I've been thinking about that too. Any good ideas how to\ndocument those targets? %description?\n\n-- \n\\/ille Skyttä\nville.skytta at iki.fi\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nRPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net>\nhttp://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"R\" == Robert Harley <harley@argote.ch> writes:\n\n R> GLM wrote:\n >> And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will\n >> weigh in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C\n >> program. QED.\n\n R> There are massive amounts of libraries for C, Fortran and so\n R> on. To pick an obvious example., if you want to do linear\n R> algebra, then Java isn't a serious candidate at all.\n\nIf you want to do http, C gets pretty muddy (curl is about the best\nchoice I've found) but I grant you that: No language is the be-all and\nend-all.\n\nI envy some of those posting to this list. I've been in business for\n24 years and I haven't yet had the luxury of writing every line of\ncode for any project. We are always coerced by budgets and time to\nmaximize the amount of work done elsewhere. \n\nAs much as I hate dealing with someone else's blackbox, as much as\nI've spent sleepless nights second-guessing external libs, I've never\never had the luxury to do otherwise. It must be wonderful to be\nresponsible for something you are actually responsible for, and I am\nso sick of being blamed for other people's design mistakes.\n\nMaybe there's an archive somewhere I need to know about, but I've been\nusing C since DrDobbs first published SmallC and yet I've never found\nany decent LGPL libs cataloged in such a way that I can just type in\nthe task and get back an API. Because of Javadoc, which is by no\nmeans perfect, Java provides me the second best catalog of 3rd-party\nlibs, second only to Perl's CPAN -- Perl is one language I also really\nhate with a passion, yet end up using the most for exactly this reason.\n\nFor example, take the recent CBC Olympics site: I needed to roll\ntogether a telnet client with a tokenizer, perl-regex preprocessing a\nstream to produce parseable XML, project that XML into relational\ndatabases using only the DTD to generate the rdbms schema, and open an\nXMLRPC interface to read and post items into the news stream. Where\ncan I find C libs for those components? \n\nOn the webserver, we then needed a multithreaded read-only http socket\nwhich can spawn persistent data-caching servlets that periodically\nrefresh themselves over socket connections to the relational database,\npresenting the retreived values through XSLT-defined transforms, and\nagain, where can I find such stuff for C ... or for any other langauge\nbut Java? Wombat (servlet spec for Perl) was inviting, but it's not\nready for prime-time, and re-inventing that entire shopping list in C\nis just not feasible for one programmer to do inside of 8 weeks.\n\nWhen you need C libs, or even C++ libs, where's the best place to shop?\nWhere do you find standards-based portable RDBMS API? (ODBC?) How do\nyou evaluate these things without actually fetching every one and\ntrying it out?\n\nIn a perfect universe, I'd use Ocaml or even Ruby, but I don't see the\nsocial infrastructure for either happening during my professional\nlifetime.\n\n R> Why do so many people outside of Sun's marketing department\n R> consider Java to be \"Write Once, Debug Everywhere\" ?\n\nA collegue at Cognos (Henk?) called C \"the nearly-portable assembler\"\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc\n Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com\n\"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\"(Pablo Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"We met a family in our parent-baby group with a son born a few minutes\nbefore our daughter - not unlikely as all members were from the same\nhospital. But, this family happened to have lived in the exact same\napartment unit a year before we had...\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Jim Whitehead\" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu>\nTo: \"FoRK\" <FoRK@xent.com>\nSent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 AM\nSubject: Another low probability event\n\n\n> So, a new family moved in down the street, with two kids, making us very\n> excited that there might be a child around the same age (20 months) as our\n> daughter Tatum. While we're talking to the family, we discover that their\n> daughter Kiara was born the same day as Tatum, within two hours, in the\nsame\n> exact maternity ward. Both mothers were undoubtedly in labor at the same\n> time.\n>\n> Wow.\n>\n> - Jim\n>\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:\n\n> Chris Haun wrote:\n>\n>> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the \n>> carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful \n>> life.\n>\n>\n> Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in\n> the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond.\n>\n> - Joe\n>\nOh, hell - what about excrement? I'd love to be able to say - No, the \nsun doesn't shine out of my ass, but there's the occasional diamond. ;-).\n\nOwen\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nWell Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true\nthat dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy.\nEspecially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and\nplaced herself unto another, but hey :-))\n\nGeege: I think its cute when he worries like that, don't you?\n:)\n\nducks and runs\n\n(bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to)\n\nBB\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:\n\n> Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote:\n> > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the\n> > same problems over and over again when there are some many more\n> > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ?????\n>\n> Amen!\n\nLike what exactly? All the problems are in chemisty and physics and biology\nand mathematics. We're just enablers :)\n\n> Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man\n> (or less of a kiddie).\n\nYes, but doing it an order of magnitude or 2 easier does :) Which with the\nway things are now, is not hard at all to do.\n\n- Adam L. \"Duncan\" Beberg\n http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/\n beberg@mithral.com\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:19:13AM -0400, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote:\n> My opinion is biased because of the disgraceful state of non-Windoze \n> browser java implementations.\n\nHorrors. Applets are kinda sucky. The cool kids are using Java to write\nserver applications, not browser craplets.\n\nThe giggle-inducing irony of the whole Java thing is how Sun's strategy\nbackfired. They produced a platform that was supposed to dwell on the\nclient side, where it would commoditize those clients. Instead, it turns\nout to be the perfect language to write server applications in, and it has\nsuccessfully commoditized servers. Ooops!\n\n-- \nnjl\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of\nRobert Harley\nSent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:55 AM\nTo: fork@example.com\nSubject: RE: Java is for kiddies\n\n\nReza B'Far wrote:\n>This thread kind of surprises me... I started coding with C, then C++, and\n>moved on to Java... And, I think that:\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>Looks like a case of \"MY experience is comprehensive, YOUR'S is\n>anecdotal, THEY don't know what they're talking about\".\n\nWell, I sure don't claim that... I think most people on Fork probably have\nmore programming knowledge than I do... There's lots of experience out\nhere...\n\nReza B'Far wrote:\n>1. The people who pay the wages don't give a flyin' heck what programming\n>language you write things in... they just want it to work.\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>In my experience, they do care. It has to work certainly, and in\n>particular it has to work with what they've already got, and it has to\n>work on client's systems.\n>My limited experience of Java started a few years ago when support on\n>Linux was so terrible that I ran away screaming and haven't come back yet.\n\nWell, I think until recently, support for most things on Linux was kind of\nshady... Things have got much better... You're right in that the JDK used to\nsuck on Linux... But then, IMHO, Linux is still maturing.... or at least\ndevelopment tools for Linux are maturing... I've been developing a few\nserver side apps that run on Linux recently with JDK 1.3.x and they've had\nno problems with great performance.\n\nRobert Harley worte:\n>Microsoft has announced that they plan to remove Java from Windows.\n>They took it out of XP already and it has to be installed with a\n>service pack. Somehow, I can't imagine them removing the ability to\n>run C programs.\n\nHmmm... Do you really think that MS is pulling out Java because it's a \"Bad\"\nprogramming language or application platform? You don't think this has\nanything to do with .NET being a competitor to Java do you? Or that MS has\nbasically copied Java (with some additional features) and called it C#?\nIsn't that alone an indication that they actually DO think that a VM is the\nright way to go for most high level applications?\n\nReza B'Far wrote:\n>2. C and C++ forces the developer to solve problems such as memory\n>management over and over again.\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>Can't say I spend any noticeable amount of time on memory management\n>issues, apart from the fact that I frequently need > 4 GB.\n\nHmmm again.... You're telling me that you've never had a nasty bug that took\nyou a couple of days to track down that had to do with a memory leak? I am\nnot the best C/C++ programmer... not even close... But I've known really\ngood ones... and even they have nasty bugs that have to do with memory\nmanagement, however occasional they may be.\n\n>It's about design patterns, architecture, high level stuff...\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>If your problem just requires application of a \"design pattern\" to solve,\n>then it's trivial anyway irrespective of language.\n\nWow! So you're telling me that unless the application involves\nbit-counting, it's trivial? What about the application itself? What about\nhigh level problems such as task distribution, work-flow, etc.? Aren't most\nhigh level problems solved with high level solutions like design patterns?\nOr do you solve high level problems by writing optimal C/C++ code? For\nexample, do you think that most people working on collaboration frameworks\n(there are lots of them on this list), are working on writing an operating\nsystem with assembly that provides for a collaborative environment?\n\n>I am amazed by the amount of time wasted by people talking about low\n>level problems that have been solved 10 million times over and over\n>and over again...\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>You appear to be gratuitously asserting that C programmers waste time\n>on irrelevant low-level problems and Java programmers don't. Depends\n>entirely on the programmer, not the language.\n\nI can see how you could infer this. However, what I believe to really be the\ncase is that Java is one of the best languages for writing large\napplications with many components that involves the collaboration of more\nthan three programmers. In those cases, it's always very hard to get the\nprogrammers to agree on API's, memory management techniques, etc. With\nJava, the JCP takes care of the discussions so that you don't sit around in\na long meeting trying to decide what API to use to hook up to a database\n(JDBC) or a messaging bus (JMS).\n\n\n>3. Java is not just a programming language! It's also a platform...\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>Buzzword.\n\nYIKES! Have you written db code with C/C++ for different databases (just an\nexample)? Tried porting a persistence layer from Windows to Unix? Say you\nhave Informix running on Solaris and you want to port to Windows with MS SQL\n(bad idea...but for the sake of the example), would you rather deal with\nJDBC port or C/C++ port that uses Informix drivers and now you have to use\nODBC?\n\n\n>a monolithic set of API's or a crap load of different API's slicing\n>and dicing the same problems 50 different ways?\nRobert Harley wrote:\n>Unsupported assertion.\n\nSo, are you saying that there is a standard set of API's for C/C++ for\neverything? (aside to the minimal ANSI stuff). Is there a standard way of\ndealing with C/C++ applications for various domain problems (messaging,\ndatabase persistence, etc.) that rivals Java? I'd like to know if there is\none accepted by everyone who writes C/C++... In that case, I claim\nignorance...\n\nNot suggesting that Java is the golden hammer.... Just that C/C++ is\noverkill for most things... I even coded in VB... But VB is a true disgrace\nto programming... It's just lame... Java is Object Oriented... (no\nflame-mail from the anti-OO people please... that is a religious\ndiscussion...) and relatively clean... And I don't think that every \"Kid\"\ncan write a well designed Java program. Kids typically don't understand\nvarious design patterns and principles... To my experience, they actually\ntend to think more of the low level problems, wanting to rewrite and\nreinvent the world... a tendency that is much more possible, IMHO, in C/C++\nthan in Java due to existence of standard API's.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\n> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of\nDave\n> Long\n> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:12 AM\n> To: fork@example.com\n> Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism\n> \n> \n> \n> When I'd read that \"getting legal title\n> can take 20 years\", when I believe that\n> 1 year ought to be more than sufficient,\n> (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd\n> assumed that we were talking about the\n> urban poor.\n> \n> If I see people living in mansions, or\n> even in suburban subdivisions, I assume\n> they didn't have too much trouble with\n> their titles.\n\nPg 177:\nIn another country, a local newspaper, intrigued by our evidence of\nextralegal real estate holdings, checked to see if the head of state's\nofficial residence had a recorded title. It did not.\n\nPg 92:\nThe value of land in the formal sector of Lima averages US$50 per square\nmeter, whereas in the area of Gamarra, where a great deal of Peru's\ninformal manufacturing sector resides, the value per square meter can go\nas high as US$3,000.\n\n==========\n\nI'd have made the same assumption you did. De Soto says that isn't\ncorrect. You can find mansions that don't have title. A lot of them,\nin fact. But they can't be used for collateral for a loan, or otherwise\nparticipate as 'capital' because of their extra-legal status.\n\n \n> > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.\n> \n> On the \"to find\" list. Any chance of\n> an explanation of that \"Bell Jar\" in\n> the meantime?\n\nFrench historian Fernand Braudel (so Braudel's Bell Jar, not De Soto's)\n\n==>\n\nThe key problem is to find out why that sector of society of the past,\nwhich I would not hesitate to call capitalist, should have lived as if\nin a bell jar, cut off from the rest; why was it not able to expand and\nconquer the whole of society? ... [Why was it that] a significant rate\nof capital formation was possible only in certain sectors and not in the\nwhole market economy of the time? ... It would perhaps be teasingly\nparadoxial to say that whatever was in short supply, money certainly was\nnot ... so this was an age where poor land was bought up and magnificent\ncountry residents built ... [How do we] resolve the contradiction ...\nbetween the depressed economic climate and the splendors of Florence\nunder Lorenzo the Magnificent?\n \n\n--------------\n\nDe Soto's theory is that the Bell Jar is formed when you segregate those\nwho have practical access to legal property rights and those who do\nnot. The poor[1] have property -- lots and lots of property. What they\ndon't have is access to the systems where we turn property into capital\nand allow it to start growing. Their property can only be exchanged\nwith a small section of people who know them personally.\n\n[1] Actual poor people, not 'poor' Americans with a living standard that\nis the envy of most of the world.\n\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Scott Lipcon <slipcon@mercea.net>\n> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:58:16 -0400\n>\n> I just updated to the latest CVS - I had been running a build from June. \n> Hitting the Flist button gives the following traceback:\n> \n> syntax error in expression \"int(17+1+(222-)(19-17-2)/(224-))\"\n> while executing\n> \"expr int($minLine+1+($msgid-$minMsg)($maxLine-$minLine-2)/($maxMsg-$minMs\n> g))\"\n> (procedure \"Ftoc_FindMsg\" line 57)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Ftoc_FindMsg $i\"\n> (procedure \"Ftoc_ShowSequences\" line 16)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Ftoc_ShowSequences $F\"\n> (procedure \"ScanFolder\" line 81)\n> invoked from within\n> \"ScanFolder inbox 0\"\n> invoked from within\n> \"time [list ScanFolder $F $adjustDisplay\"\n> (procedure \"Scan_Folder\" line 2)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Scan_Folder $exmh(folder) $ftoc(showNew)\"\n> (procedure \"Inc_PresortFinish\" line 7)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Inc_PresortFinish\"\n> invoked from within\n> \".fops.flist invoke\"\n> (\"uplevel\" body line 1)\n> invoked from within\n> \"uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]\"\n> (procedure \"tkButtonUp\" line 7)\n> invoked from within\n> \"tkButtonUp .fops.flist\n> \"\n> (command bound to event)\n> \n> \n> It seems to only happen in a folder with no unseen messages.\n> \n> Chris, is this related to your recent changes?\n\nCurious. I changed the arguments to Ftoc_ShowSequences to drop the folder \nargument and instead have an optional msgids argument. Somehow your version \nof ScanFolder is still trying to pass $F. You seem to have the latest \nftoc.tcl (1.36), but not the latest scan.tcl (1.27).\n\nI don't know how that happened, but try getting your source tree completely \nup to date.\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	["> From: Scott Lipcon <slipcon@mercea.net>\n> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:49:47 -0400\n>\n> Chris, \n> \n> I'm home now, and this copy of exmh is pretty bad - I'm running from\n> CVS on Sunday night - the only change since then was the one you made\n> this morning for \"bulletproofing in MhReadSeqs\".\n> \n> I run exmh, and I can visably see it count up the number of unseen\n> messages as it looks through the folders - I have about 3000 unseen\n> messages in maybe 10 or 12 folders. It takes a few seconds for all\n> of the folders in the fcache to turn blue. \n\nThis is true...it's now looking at more than just unseen, so it takes a little \nwhile (in the background) to build the sequences window. There is probably \nsome tuning possible in this area.\n\n> In +inbox, I have 4 unread messages. They aren't blue, they are\n> white background with a normal colored font.\n\nI changed the default display of unseen messages from a foreground of blue to \na background of white to make it possible to see what other sequences unseen \nmessages may be in. I did ask Brent before I did it. If you like the old \nbehavior, the old lines are still in app-defaults-color, but commented out.\n\n> If I click on a message, I get the following traceback:\n> \n> invalid command name \"Mh_MarkSeen\"\n> while executing\n> \"Mh_MarkSeen $exmh(folder) $msgid\"\n> (procedure \"Hook_MsgShow_update_unseen\" line 5)\n> invoked from within\n> \"$cmd $mhProfile(path)/$exmh(folder)/$msgid mimeHdr\"\n> (procedure \"MsgShow\" line 23)\n> invoked from within\n> \"MsgShow $msgid\"\n> (procedure \"MsgChange\" line 18)\n> invoked from within\n> \"MsgChange 66 show\"\n> invoked from within\n> \"time [list MsgChange $msgid $show\"\n> (procedure \"Msg_Change\" line 3)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Msg_Change $msgNum $show\"\n> (procedure \"Msg_Pick\" line 8)\n> invoked from within\n> \"Msg_Pick $lineno show\"\n> (procedure \"FtocRangeEnd\" line 12)\n> invoked from within\n> \"FtocRangeEnd [lindex [split [.ftoc.t index current] .] 0] 0\"\n> (command bound to event)\n\nThis is because of your Hook_MsgShow_update_unseen which is calling a function \nwhich no longer exists.\n\nI suspect you need\n\tSeq_Del $exmh(folder) unseen $msgid\nnow instead of \n\tMh_MarkSeen $exmh(folder) $msgid\n\n> It appears that the message does get marked as seen though, as it\n> loses the white background, and nmh reports the same. \n> \n> If I click the flist button, it zero's the unseen count, and then\n> there is again a visible delay as it counts up all the unseen \n> messages - maybe 3-4 seconds.\n> \n> I really think my installation is OK now, but if this behavior is just\n> really strange I'll blow everything away and reinstall. I'm happy to\n> spend some time helping to track this down, I don't really need exmh.\n> I'm comfortable enough using nmh.\n> \n> Scott\n> \n> \n> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Exmh-workers mailing list\n> Exmh-workers@redhat.com\n> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n-- \nChris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/\nvirCIO http://www.virCIO.Com\n716 Congress, Suite 200\nAustin, TX 78701\t\t+1 512 374 0500\n\n World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers.\n\n\n\n", "…"]
1ham	easy_ham	"\nIt seems that something changed during the last 3-4 weeks.\n\n1) In a folder, msgs 1-n is read, n=current, n upwards is unread.\n2) change to another folder\n3) change back to the original folder and you'll see msg n+1 being \nhighlighted as current for a split second, that it changes back to \nn=current.\n\nKind of annoying since it marks msg n+1 as read.\n\n/Anders\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">\n>\tI'll have to try it with another window manager and see if I can\n>get exmh to put it back inside of sane boundaries. I don't have this\n>problem with any other windows, though. Just the exmhunseen window.\n>\n\nHow about enabling the \"Show unseen message count in folder cache\"\noption? It displays the number of unseen messages next to each folder name\n(if greater than 0), so you don't really need the unseen window unless\nyou're using more sequences than just \"unseen\".\n\nPaul\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-users mailing list\nExmh-users@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA1\n\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\nAfter a bit of peeking through the exmh tcl and playing with tcl a bit, I got \nthe \"catchup unseen messages before cur\" procedure working. Here's the code \nfor everybody and the list archives in case anyone wants it in the future. \nThanks to John R. LoVerso for putting me on the right track. \n\nproc My_Mark2CurSeen {} {\n global exmh pick msg\n set results {}\n Exmh_Status \"Clearing unseen up to cur...\" red\n Mh_SetCur $exmh(folder) $msg(id)\n set unseen [Mh_Unseen $exmh(folder)]\n foreach elem $unseen {\n if { $elem < $msg(id) } {\n lappend results $elem\n }\n }\n set pick(ids) $results\n busy PickMarkSeen\n Exmh_Status ok blue\n}\n\nIf you want to use this, stick it in your .tk/exmh directory, run auto_mkindex \non it and add the following lines to your .exmh/exmh-defaults:\nFops.more.m.uentrylist: ketchup\nFops.more.m.l_ketchup: Catch-up all before current\n*Fops.more.m.c_ketchup: My_Mark2CurSeen\n\n- -- \nTed Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net \nCheck Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com\n\"I have taken all knowledge to be my province.\" -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org\n\"Human kind cannot bear very much reality.\"-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com\n\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD)\nComment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001\n\niD8DBQE9mJ6XoayJfLoDSdIRAkaQAJ9NL83MUU6bJRB19x7MgRaDQhc3ZwCfRK5d\nPXat04+AnSx4tHjn5p8mZVc=\n=sJtk\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nI apologize for not catching up to the current code in so long.\n\nNow that I have I'm trying to resolve \"breakage\" and differences.\n\nThe unseen window seems to have been replaced with the sequences \nwindow. While I appreciate the flexibility of the sequences \nwindow, the unseen window filled an important-to-me need: It \nwas tiny and could be set to show on all desktops of a virtual \nwindow manager without taking a lot of space. Since my normal \nmode of operation involves two copies of exmh displaying on a \n1024x768 vnc session, screen space is at a premium.\n\nAs things stand now, I have a sequences window that shows a lot\nmore information than I need to have handy and takes up a lot \nmore room than I can \"spare\".\n\nI can see that I could like the new sequences window a lot for \ncertain operations. But I'd like a nice uncluttered, tiny \nwindow that _only_ shows me info on my unread mail.\n\nOne possibility that occurs to me would be a button or mouse\nclick that \"shrinks\" the Sequences window to show only the\nsequences in the \"always show\" list. And of course a way to \nexpand it back.\n\n--Hal\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\nExmh-workers@redhat.com\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n\n"